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Postby Watchman555 » 15 Mar 2014, 16:50

How Does “Good Friday” Discredit Our Messiah? Can You Count to Three?
By Maria Merola
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REPLY: Copyright? You’ve got to be kidding me. At this point I’m just getting started but I had thought that you were sharing a study from somebody else. But I see that the credits so far belong to Maria Merola; even copyrighted. So does that mean that somebody cannot use this study and add their own thoughts to it and present it as their own?

Here we go –


So your first question is “How does ‘Good Friday’ Discredit Our Messiah?”

The Passover that took place on the preparation day already indicates that it is a 6th day of the week. So it does not discredit the Messiah. Unless you’re alluding to “fri-day” then I would agree with you. There’s no such day on Yahuah’s calendar. What might help is if you can find a passage in the Scripture that specifically shows a preparation day referred to prior to a Sabbath that is not a 7th day Sabbath. IOW, a Scripture that would show a preparation day before Yom Teru’ah or Yom Kippurim.

The second question is
“Can You Count to Three?”


The answer is yes, I can. But can you?



From Maria’s blog:


”Many of us have been brought up in the church to believe that Yahu’shua Messiah died on “Good Friday” and he resurrected on “Easter Sunday.”

Well today I am here to dismantle these lies and show how these deceptions actually prove to discredit Yahu’shua as the Jewish Messiah and also make him out to look like a liar. First of all we must ask ourselves, “Why have we been conditioned to believe that Messiah was crucified on the 6th day of the week on Friday”?”


REPLY: Maybe because that is the exact count in the Scripture: 14th, 15th, 16th. As the Scripture clearly indicates a preparation day; which is considered the 6th day of the week. At this point let us keep in mind that the children of Yisra’el kept the Passover on the 14th day of the first month. The 15th day of that month was the beginning of the Feast of Unleavened Bread in which the children of Yisra’el were delivered on that day. Let us also keep in mind that the Messiah said:

Luk 13:13 And He laid His hands on her, and immediately she was straightened up, and praised Elohim.
Luk 13:14 But the ruler of the congregation, responding, much displeased that יהושע had healed on the Sabbath, said to the crowd, “There are six days on which men should work, so come and be healed on them, and not on the Sabbath day.”
Luk 13:15 Then the Master answered him and said, “Hypocrite! Does not each one of you on the Sabbath loosen his ox or his donkey from the stall, and lead it away to water it?
Luk 13:16 “And this one, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound, look, for eighteen years, should she not be loosened from this bond on the Sabbath?”

Luk 14:1 And it came to be, as He went into the house of one of the rulers of the Pharisees to eat bread on the Sabbath, that they were watching Him closely.
Luk 14:2 And see, there was a certain man before Him suffering from dropsy.
Luk 14:3 And יהושע responding, spoke to those learned in the Torah and the Pharisees, saying, “Is it right to heal on the Sabbath?”
Luk 14:4 But they were silent. So taking hold of him He healed him, and let him go.
Luk 14:5 And to them He said, “Which of you, having a donkey or an ox that has fallen into a pit, shall not immediately pull him out on the Sabbath day?”
Luk 14:6 And they were unable to answer Him regarding these matters.

Num 33:3 So they departed from Raʽmeses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month, on the morrow of the Passover the children of Yisra’ĕl went out with boldness before the eyes of all the Mitsrites,

Let us not forget also when the children of Yisra’el were released on the Sabbath they were also led to the Sea of Reeds which is a type of immersion in water.

Luk 13:15 Then the Master answered him and said, “Hypocrite! Does not each one of you on the Sabbath loosen his ox or his donkey from the stall, and lead it away to water it?

Wow, is that not what Yahuah did? Release the children of Yisra’el from their bondage in Mitsrayim and led them out to water them?

So the 15th day of the month from your understanding you call it a ‘high’ Sabbath or first day of ULB. From our understanding we call it a seventh day Sabbath and the first day of the Feast of ULB. What I am doing here is pointing out the reality of Yahuah of releasing the children of Yisra’el from their bondage on a Sabbath. Scriptures would seem to indicate that Yahusha is going to come back after 2,000 years and in the 3rd day, which would be the 7,000th year, He will raise us up (at the beginning, not the end):


Hos 6:1 ‘Come, and let us turn back to יהוה. For He has torn but He does heal us, He has stricken but He binds us up.
Hos 6:2 ‘After two days He shall revive us, on the third day He shall raise us up, so that we live before Him.

Just to keep in mind Yahusha is going to come and reign on the millennial seventh day - Then Hoshea’s third day would also be the seventh day; when Yahusha will come back and officially release us from our bondage. We see here from the prophecy that after two days we will be revived – after two days and ON the third day we will be raised up. This in the millennial context a day for a 1,000 years which I believe has a direct connection to how the Messiah was also raised up. Suffered on the 14th, first day; in the ground on the 15th, second day; raised and ascended ON the third day. By the way, the 16th is most commonly understood as the day of the omer. Which would equate to the first day of the week and that is the date given in the Scriptures that Yahusha raised. It is commonly understood as the day of the wave sheaf.

Mar 16:9 And having risen early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Miryam from Maḡdala, from whom He had cast out seven demons.

This Scripture specifically says He rose early, as in morning, of the first day of the week. So let’s see if this study concurs with this verse.

From Maria’s blog,

“Well, the answer to this question is simple. The biblical account tells us that after Yahu’shua Messiah was crucified and his body taken down from the Stauros (cross), the women were in a hurry to anoint his body with spices because at sundown began the Sabbath.”


REPLY: This statement is not what the Scriptural account shows. So let us look at the verses in question.

Joh 19:30 So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It has been accomplished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.
Joh 19:31 Therefore, since it was the Preparation , that the bodies should not remain on the stake on the Sabbath – for that Sabbath was a high one – the Yehudim asked Pilate to have their legs broken, and that they be taken away.

So let’s look at the law concerning somebody hanging on a tree to get an idea why Yahusha was to come down off the stake “before” the High Sabbath:

Deu 21:22 “And when a man has committed a sin worthy of death, then he shall be put to death and you shall hang him on a tree.
Deu 21:23 “Let his body not remain overnight on the tree, for you shall certainly bury him the same day – for he who is hanged is accursed of Elohim – so that you do not defile the land which יהוה your Elohim is giving you as an inheritance.

Now this is the law pertaining to a man that is hung on a tree. Notice the wording very carefully: “Let his body not remain overnight on the tree, for you shall certainly bury him the same day”. See, there’s a big problem here because the Scriptures specifically teach that Yahusha did not come down off the tree until evening had come. That is when Yoseph went to Pilate. There are three witnesses to this below that evening came BEFORE Yoseph went to Pilate to ask for the body. This means that He was still on the stake on that evening, which would be a transgression of the law because He would have remained on the stake from one day to the next according to the evening to evening which is not lawful according to the Torah. Morning to morning doesn’t have this problem.

According to the command, if you would put this in context you would see that a day cannot begin in the evening. Notice it says: You cannot leave them hang over night because you will bury them the same day. If the day begins in the evening then you could not have somebody hung in the daylight and have them remain past evening because it says you will bury them the same day, so if you hang them during the daylight portion you would have them in the ground BEFORE the next day begins in evening.

It says the body is not allowed to remain “overnight” so the only way the body could come close to being on the stake overnight is if one is hung after evening. There are three eyewitnesses in the Scriptures that show that Messiah was on the stake during the daylight portion and He was not taken down until after evening. Which means that would have been a violation of this Torah command – you must bury them the same day.

Joh 19:38 And after this, Yosĕph of Ramathayim, being a taught one of יהושע, but secretly, for fear of the Yehudim, asked Pilate that he might take the body of יהושע, and Pilate gave permission. Therefore he came and took the body of יהושע.
Joh 19:39 And Nakdimon, who at first came to יהושע by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds.
Joh 19:40 Then they took the body of יהושע, and bound it in linen wrappings with the spices, as was the habit of the Yahudim for burial.

What was the ‘habit of the Yahudim for burial’? How long would that have taken? Maria would suggest that there was a big hurry going on. So I guess she would just have haphazardly wrapped the body quickly and threw it in the tomb. Is that the habit of the Yahudim for burial? Or is the burial process a reverent process? Maybe we can picture the Messiah being totally covered in blood with many open wounds and dried blood everywhere – so how long would it have taken them to prepare the body as is the habit of the Yahudim? Wouldn’t they have taken time to clean the body and apply the spices? What about preparing the spices? I think what should be obvious is that they would have taken the reverent process to the body of Yahusha.

Joh 19:41 And at the place where He was impaled there was a garden, and in the garden a fresh tomb in which no one had yet been laid.
Joh 19:42 There, then, of the Yehudimbecause of the Preparation , they laid יהושע, because the tomb was near.

These verses clearly show that Yoseph did not go to Pilate until evening had come and it shows that it is still the preparation day. Might I remind you that preparation day is always attributed to the sixth day of the week?

Mat 27:55 And many women who followed יהושע from Galil, attending Him, were there, watching from a distance,
Mat 27:56 among whom were Miryam from Magdala, and Miryam the mother of Yaʽaqoḇ and Yosĕph, and the mother of Zabdai’s sons.
Mat 27:57 And when evening came, there came a rich man from Ramathayim, named Yosĕph, who himself had also become a taught one of יהושע.
Mat 27:58 He went to Pilate and asked for the body of יהושע. Then Pilate commanded the body to be given.
Mat 27:59 And having taken the body, Yosĕph wrapped it in clean linen,
Mat 27:60 and laid it in his new tomb which he had hewn out of the rock. And he rolled a large stone against the door of the tomb, and went away.
Mat 27:61 And Miryam from Magdala was there, and the other Miryam, sitting opposite the tomb.

Mar 15:40 And there were also women watching from a distance, among whom was also Miryam from Magdala, and Miryam the mother of Yaʽaqoḇ the Less and of Yosĕph, and Shelomah,
Mar 15:41 who also followed Him and attended Him when He was in Galil, and many other women who came up with Him to Yerushalayim.
Mar 15:42 And when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath,
Mar 15:43 Yosĕph of Ramathayim, a prominent council member, who was himself waiting for the reign of Elohim, came, boldly went in to Pilate and asked for the body of יהושע.
Mar 15:44 But Pilate wondered whether He was already dead, so summoning the captain, he asked him if He was already dead.
Mar 15:45 And when he learned this from the captain, he gave the body to Yosĕph.
Mar 15:46 And he, having bought fine linen, took Him down, and wrapped Him in the linen. And he laid Him in a tomb which had been hewn out of the rock, and rolled a stone against the entrance of the tomb.
Mar 15:47 And Miryam from Maḡdala, and Miryam the mother of Yosĕph, saw where He was laid.

Luk 23:49 And all those who knew Him, and the women who followed Him from Galil, stood at a distance, watching this.
Luk 23:50 And see, a man named Yosĕph, a council member, a good and righteous man –
Luk 23:51 he was not agreeing with their counsel and deed – from Ramathayim, a city of the Yehudim, who himself was also waiting for the reign of Elohim,
Luk 23:52 he, going to Pilate, asked for the body of יהושע.
Luk 23:53 And taking it down, he wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb hewn out of the rock, where no one was yet laid.
Luk 23:54 And it was Preparation day, and the Sabbath was approaching.
Luk 23:55 And the women who had come with Him from Galil followed after, and saw the tomb and how His body was laid.
Luk 23:56 And having returned, they prepared spices and perfumes. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the command.

Nowhere in these accounts does it suggest that “the women were in a hurry to anoint his body with spices because at sundown began the Sabbath.” How do we know this? Because the women saw how the body was laid, they weren’t going there to anoint Him, it only says they saw how the body was laid and prepared and how the stone was rolled over. As a matter of fact it would probably been considered improper for the women to be cleaning and dressing the body of Yahusha. And THEN they went back and prepared spices and perfumes. Remember, this is all taking place AFTER EVENING. It was AFTER they prepared the spices that they rested according to the command; which you claim is the 15th day of the month. And it was, but the 16th day of the month according to your understanding would have been ANOTHER preparation day, so on one hand you say they were in a hurry and then they rested according to the command but then there’s another preparation day (the 16th) yet they didn’t go back to the tomb?! So how can you say they were in a hurry? If they were in a hurry they would have surely gone on the 16th instead of the day after the next Sabbath which you say is the 17th. We will get back to the 16th, the day that no Scripture knows.

From Maria’s blog,

“ Those within the Christian Church read this as though the “Sabbath” day spoken of here is the weekly 7th day Sabbath (Saturday). But what is being spoken of in this account is an annual Sabbath known as “The Feast of Unleavened Bread.””

REPLY: Yes, the Scripture does refer to that day as a Sabbath and only one time is it referred to as a High Sabbath and you have completely built a doctrine off of that one verse. There is nowhere in the Torah where it calls the first or seventh day of Passover/ULB a Sabbath. So it is your misconception that you are calling this a “high Sabbath/first day of feast of ULB” because the Torah doesn’t and neither does the Besorah. The Besorah refers to it as a ‘mega’ Sabbath, it was a regular 7th day Sabbath, it is referred to as a mega Sabbath because the Feast of Unleavened Bread begins on that day. That day is a commemoration of the children of Yisra’el’s release from bondage. See the problem with you taking the one verse that says mega Sabbath is that you apply that terminology to all the other references that are made in the Besorah. IOW, when it says and they rested on the Sabbath according to the command it only says “Sabbath”. So what determines what a Sabbath is? The only way we can determine if this Sabbath was a “High Sabbath” meaning the first day of the Feast of Passover/ULB is if we let the Torah tell us what days are considered Sabbaths and what days are not. So out of one verse in Yahuchanon you’ve or whoever created a whole doctrine about a “High Sabbath”. The Torah never calls the first or seventh day of Passover/ULB a Sabbath let alone a “High Sabbath”. So until you produce the verse from the Torah showing that the first or seventh day of Passover/ULB are referred to as Sabbaths/rest/7676/7677 you are adding to the word, going beyond what it says, and building your own tradition. Otherwise, produce the Scripture from the Torah. When the eyewitness account says they “rested according to the command” we need to be able to read the command in the Torah.

From Maria’s blog:


“ And so if we don’t have a foundation for understanding Yah’s Holy Feast Days, we will naturally assume that the scriptures are telling us that the night of Messiah’s crucifixion was followed by the weekly Sabbath day (Saturday). But this is not the case. The night of Yahu’shua’s crucifixion was followed by an annual Sabbath known as the “Feast of Unleavened Bread”


REPLY:
Here again your words do not fit what the account shows. What is the best way to get an idea about Yahuah’s feast days? How about looking at what took place to begin with? The shadow of Yahusha’s death has always been the 14th day of the first month. The shadow plan of Yisra’el’s release from bondage is always recognized on the 15th. So this is where we draw our comparison. Now remember what Yahusha said about giving release of bondage on the Sabbath and because there are no instructions that tell us the first day of Passover/ULB is a Sabbath we can only assume by the instructions that it was a 7th day Sabbath. If anyone is in doubt of this, please go to the Torah and look at every occurrence where it is talking about the first or seventh day of Passover/ULB and you will not find any reference to it being a Sabbath/rest/7676/7677. Now if you compare that with the Feast of Sukkoth you will find what is referred to as the first and eighth day are referred to as a Sabbath/rest/7677. So again, anybody that calls it a Sabbath is not using Scripture to back up what they are saying and their foundation is sand. So when we understand that Yisra’el was released from their bondage on the Sabbath then we will understand what Yahusha was talking to them about, we will also understand that the 15th day of the month when they were released was indeed a 7th day Sabbath. Types and shadows. 14, 15, 16. 14 – Passover, 15th mega 7th day Sabbath, 16th wave omer. There is no other progression of these days other than that. In like manner as shown in Hoshea after two days on the third = the 7th day of the millennial period. The millennial day we will be released from our bondage, at the beginning – not the end.

From Maria’s blog:

” And we know also from reading the gospel accounts, that there were two more days in between his crucifixion, his burial and then yet another Sabbath (the weekly Sabbath), followed by the day of his resurrection known as “First Fruits.”


REPLY: Well, maybe you will bring some Scripture out to prove this…. Because this is one of my questions. Can you show an exact time line using all the impalement accounts in the Besorah to show the timeline of the **13th day of the month** when Yahusha told the emissaries to go and prepare, the **14th day of the month**, which was Passover, the day He was impaled, the **15th day of the month** your so-called high Sabbath – first day in the grave, the **16th day of the month** which would be your second preparation day, the **17th day of the month** which you claim to be the 7th day of the week at which Yahusha raised at the end of, and the **18th day of the month** which you claim is the first day of the week, first fruits.

From Maria’s blog:

“Because most people assume that the day after Yahu’shua’s crucifixion was the weekly Sabbath, they naturally assume then that he was crucified on the 6th day (Friday), and thus he would’ve been a false prophet and a liar when he said that he would be “three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” “


REPLY:
A false prophet? He would be considered a false prophet to you because you insist you understood what He meant by three days and three nights. You are insisting that what He said must be what you conclude otherwise He’s a liar. Okay, so let’s compare here. How many times did Yahusha give the sign/parable of Yonah; as in three days and three nights? Once. We need to understand that the sign that was given was number one given to an adulterous and wicked generation that seeks after a sign and number two the sign is a parable, number three Yahusha said those who are on the outside would not understand the parables. So let’s look at it again:

Mat 12:38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, “Teacher, we wish to see a sign from You.”
Mat 12:39 But He answering, said to them, “A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Yonah.
Mat 12:40 “For as Yonah was three days and three nights in the stomach of the great fish, so shall the Son of Adam be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

From what Yahusha said that all things were spoken in parables but they would not understand. So here is a plain truth. The understanding of Yonah could be mistaken. In other words, whatever the Yahudim were trying to figure out what He meant, they would not understand it.

Mat 13:10 And the taught ones came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”
Mat 13:11 And He answering, said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the secrets of the reign of the heavens, but to them it has not been given.
Mat 13:12 “For whoever possesses, to him more shall be given, and he shall have overflowingly; but whoever does not possess, even what he possesses shall be taken away from him.
Mat 13:13 “Because of this I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
Mat 13:14 “And in them the prophecy of Yeshayahu is completely filled, which says, ‘Hearing you shall hear and by no means understand, and seeing you shall see and by no means perceive,
Mat 13:15 for the heart of this people has become thickened, and their ears are hard of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, lest they should understand with their heart, and turn back, and I heal them.’

Mat 27:62 On the next day, which was after the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate,
Mat 27:63 saying, “Master, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said, ‘After three days I am raised.’
Mat 27:64 “Command, then, that the tomb be safeguarded until the third day, lest His taught ones come by night and steal Him away, and should say to the people, ‘He was raised from the dead.’ And the last deception shall be worse than the first.”
Mat 27:65 So Pilate said to them, “You have a watch, go, safeguard it as you know how.”

Mat 27:63 Saying,G3004 Sir,G2962 we rememberG3415 thatG3754 thatG1565 deceiverG4108 said,G2036 whileG2089 he was yet alive,G2198 AfterG3326 threeG5140 daysG2250 I will rise again.G1453


G3326

μετά
meta
met-ah'

A primary preposition (often used adverbially); properly denoting accompaniment; “amid” (local or causal); modified variously according to the case (genitive case association, or accusative case succession) with which it is joined; occupying an intermediate position between G575 or G1537 and G1519 or G4314; less intimate than G1722, and less close than G4862): - after (-ward),X that he again, against, among, X and, + follow, hence, hereafter, in, of, (up-) on, + our, X and setting, since, (un-) to, + together, when, with (+ -out). Often used in composition, in substantially the same relations of participation or proximity, and transfer or sequence.


Both the ISR and the KJV have translated ‘meta’ as ‘after’. But as we can see in the definition it is ‘amd’ or among, with which it is joined; occupying an intermediate position.

Blueletterbible Lexicon

Mat 27:64 CommandG2753 thereforeG3767 that theG3588 sepulchreG5028 be made sureG805 untilG2193 theG3588 thirdG5154 day,G2250 lestG3379 hisG846 disciplesG3101 comeG2064 by night,G3571 and steal him away,G2813 G846 andG2532 sayG2036 unto theG3588 people,G2992 He is risenG1453 fromG575 theG3588 dead:G3498 soG2532 theG3588 lastG2078 errorG4106 shall beG2071 worseG5501 than theG3588 first.G4413


G2193

ἕως
heōs
heh'-oce

Of uncertain affinity; a conjugation, preposition and adverb of continuance, until (of time and place): - even (until, unto), (as) far (as), how long, (un-) til (-l), (hither-, un-, up) to, while (-s).


So ‘heos’ means ‘until’ – but obviously in this context ‘until’ would mean until the end of because technically until the third day would be at the end of the second.

How would these witnesses have known that He was suggesting He would be in the grave until, after, among three days? It could have been for two reasons. Number one – when He told the parable they figured He was saying He would be in the grave for three days and three nights and that is what they set the watch to. Number two – Yahusha told the Pharisees:


Joh 2:18 And the Yehuḏim answered and said to Him, “What sign do You show to us, since You are doing these?”
Joh 2:19 יהושע answered and said to them, “Destroy this Dwelling Place, and in three days I shall raise it.”

Yahusha Himself said “IN” three days.

Joh 2:20 Then the Yehuḏim said, “It took forty-six years to build this Dwelling Place, and You are going to raise it in (G1722) three days?”
Joh 2:21 But He spoke about the Dwelling Place of His body.
Joh 2:22 So, when He was raised from the dead, His taught ones remembered that He said this to them. And they believed the Scripture and the word which יהושע had said.

Joh 2:19 {Yahusha}G2424 answeredG611 andG2532 saidG2036 unto them,G846 DestroyG3089 thisG5126 temple,G3485 andG2532 inG1722 threeG5140 daysG2250 I will raise it up.G1453 G846

G1722

ἐν
en
en

A primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively), that is, a relation of rest (intermediate between G1519 and G1537); “in”, at, (up-) on, by, etc.: - about, after, against, + almost, X altogether, among, X as, at, before, between, (here-) by (+ all means), for (. . . sake of), + give self wholly to, (here-) in (-to, -wardly), X mightily, (because) of, (up-) on, [open-] ly, X outwardly, one, X quickly, X shortly, [speedi-] ly, X that, X there (-in, -on), through (-out), (un-) to(-ward), under, when, where (-with), while, with (-in). Often used in compounds, with substantially the same import; rarely with verbs of motion, and then not to indicate direction, except (elliptically) by a separate (and different) prep.


En is a fixed position, meaning IN, at on. This next verse was at the impalement:

Mar 15:29 AndG2532 they that passed byG3899 railed onG987 him,G846 waggingG2795 theirG848 heads,G2776 andG2532 saying,G3004 Ah,G3758 thou that destroyestG2647 theG3588 temple,G3485 andG2532 buildestG3618 it inG1722 threeG5140 days,G2250

This is clearly reflecting IN the third day not at the end of or after. It is referring to sometime IN the third day; which begins in the morning.

Luk 24:1 And on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared,

This verse specifically shows that the Miryams waiting until the first day of the week at early dawn to come to the tomb bringing the spices which they prepared before they rested the Sabbath according to the command. Which begs the question again – if they were in such a ‘hurry’ why didn’t they go at early evening instead of early dawn? Which clearly by definition means ‘early morning’.

Luk 24:2 and they found the stone rolled away from the tomb.
Luk 24:3 And having entered, they did not find the body of the Master יהושע.
Luk 24:4 And it came to be, as they were perplexed about this, that see, two men stood by them in glittering garments.
Luk 24:5 And becoming frightened and bowing their faces to the earth, these said to them, “Why do you seek the living among the dead?
Luk 24:6 “He is not here, but has been raised up! Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galil,
Luk 24:7 saying, ‘The Son of Aḏam has to be delivered into the hands of sinners, and be impaled, and the third day rise again.’ ”
Luk 24:8 And they remembered His words.

The messengers also bear witness that it was the third day that He rose. Now let’s take a look at what the Scriptures say about His rising:

Mar 9:31 ForG1063 he taughtG1321 hisG848 disciples,G3101 andG2532 saidG3004 unto them,G846 TheG3588 SonG5207 of manG444 is deliveredG3860 intoG1519 the handsG5495 of men,G444 andG2532 they shall killG615 him;G846 andG2532 after that he is killed,G615 he shall riseG450 theG3588 tthirdG5154 day.G2250

Luk 24:7 Saying,G3004 TheG3588 SonG5207 of manG444 mustG1163 be deliveredG3860 intoG1519 the handsG5495 of sinfulG268 men,G435 andG2532 be crucified,G4717 andG2532 theG3588 thirdG5154 dayG2250 rise again.G450

Mar 16:9 NowG1161 when {Yahusha} was risenG450 earlyG4404 the firstG4413 day of the week,G4521 he appearedG5316 firstG4412 to MaryG3137 Magdalene,G3094 out ofG575 whomG3739 he had castG1544 sevenG2033 devils.G1140

G450

ἀνίστημι
anistēmi
an-is'-tay-mee

From G303 and G2476; to stand up (literally or figuratively, transitively or intransitively): - arise, lift up, raise up (again), rise (again), stand up (-right).


We can see that Mark 9:31 by Yahusha’s own words He said He would rise the third day, Luke 24:7 is the witness from the messengers proclaiming that He would rise the third day, and the narrative in Mark 16:9 specifically shows that Yahusha was risen/G450 early/G4404


G4404

πρωΐ́
prōi
pro-ee'

Adverb from G4253; ; by implication the at watch: - early (in the morning), (in the) morning.


At dawn; by implication the day break the first day of the week; which clearly shows He was risen G450 in the morning of the first day of the week and not the end of the Sabbath or what you would be considered the beginning of the day in your evening. Dawn is the growing of light, not the diminishing.

Now I don’t know if any of you have ever noticed this, but on one hand you claim that Yahusha was raised up at the end of the 7th day Sabbath that was before the evening beginning the 18th, you claim that the end of that Sabbath was the end of the three days and three nights, but yet the guards were still there on first day morning. Which means the guards would have been there 3.5 days from the beginning of your Sabbath in the evening. IOW, if they were counting the three days and three nights they would have started with the evening beginning your Sabbath which would have ended at the end of your 7th day Sabbath. This would have been the completion of three days and three nights, but yet they were there in the morning of the first day of the week; which according to your calculations would have been 3.5 days. Technically they should have told the guards to stay there until the morning of the fourth day. Now of course, you have a controversy with the road to Amma’us and you can go and check the wording and find that it is a different terminology. Where do we find the Messiah Himself saying that He would spend three days and three nights in the grave; other than the assumed understanding of the Yonah sign/parable?

Let’s see what the Scriptures record as Yahusha actually saying concerning the third day:


Mat 16:21 From that time יהושע began to show to His taught ones that it was necessary for Him to go to Yerushalayim, and to suffer much from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and to be raised again the third day. (theG3588 thirdG5154 day.G2250)

G3588

ὁ, ἡ, τό
ho hē to
ho, hay, to

The masculine, feminine (second) and neuter (third) forms, in all their inflections; the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom): - the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.


Mat 17:22 And while they were staying in Galil, יהושע said to them, “The Son of Adam is about to be delivered up into the hands of men,
Mat 17:23 and they shall kill Him, and the third day He shall be raised up.” And they were deeply grieved.

theG3588 thirdG5154 dayG2250

Mat 20:18 “See, we are going up to Yerushalayim, and the Son of Adam shall be delivered up to the chief priests and to the scribes. And they shall condemn Him to death,
Mat 20:19 and deliver Him to the gentiles to mock and to flog and to impale. And the third day He shall be raised.”

theG3588 thirdG5154 dayG2250

Mar 9:31 for He was teaching His taught ones and said to them, “The Son of Adam is being delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill Him. And having been killed, He shall rise the third day.” theG3588 thirdG5154 day.G2250

Mar 10:33 “See, we are going up to Yerushalayim, and the Son of Adam shall be delivered to the chief priests and to the scribes, and they shall condemn Him to death and shall deliver Him to the gentiles,
Mar 10:34 and they shall mock Him, and flog Him, and spit on Him, and kill Him. And the third day He shall rise again.”

theG3588 thirdG5154 dayG2250

Luk 9:21 And strictly warning them, He commanded them to say this to no one,
Luk 9:22 saying, “The Son of Adam has to suffer much, and to be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and to be killed, and to be raised the third day.”

theG3588 thirdG5154 day.G2250

Luk 18:32 “For He shall be delivered up to the gentiles and shall be mocked and insulted and spat upon,
Luk 18:33 and having flogged Him they shall kill Him. And on the third day He shall rise again.” theG3588 thirdG5154 dayG2250

Luk 24:45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,
Luk 24:46 and said to them, “Thus it has been written, and so it was necessary for the Messiah to suffer and to rise again from the dead the third day, theG3588 thirdG5154 day:G2250
Luk 24:47 and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in His Name to all nations, beginning at Yerushalayim.

We can see from Yahusha’s words that He would rise from the dead THE third day - the, this, that – third day. Nowhere in Yahusha’s own words does He imply three days and three nights nor does He imply at the END of the third day.

Here’s something else to consider concerning Yahusha raising at the end/on the 7th day Sabbath. According to the Scriptures:


Mat 28:1 Now after the Sabbath, toward dawn on the first day of the week, Miryam from Magdala and the other Miryam came to see the tomb
Mat 28:2 And see, there was a great earthquake, for a messenger of יהוה came down out of heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it.
Mat 28:3 And his appearance was like lightning, and his garments as white as snow.
Mat 28:4 And the guards trembled for fear of him, and became like dead men.
Mat 28:5 And the messenger responding, said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek יהושע who was impaled.
Mat 28:6 “He is not here, for He was raised, as He said. Come, see the place where the Master lay.

Notice the Sabbath is passed – notice after the Sabbath toward dawn – dawn means the growing of light evening means the diminishing of light, that is when the Miryams went to the tomb as all accounts confirm.

Joh 20:1 And on the first day of the week Miryam from Magdala came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb.

Same thing, it was the first day of the week; early the growing of light. So they were coming to the tomb while it was yet dark; that word for dark is:

G4653

σκοτία
skotia
skot-ee'-ah

From G4655; dimness, obscurity (literally or figuratively): - dark (-ness).


This is exactly what you have, the dimness or obscurity, that takes place in the early morning. They started their journey to the tomb early in the morning while the light was yet obscured. Mark 16:1 -2 gives a little bit more detail:

Mar 16:1 And when the Sabbath was past, Miryam from Maḡdala, and Miryam the mother of Yaʽaqoḇ, and Shelomah bought spices, to go and anoint Him.
Mar 16:2 And very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.

KJV. 2b: they cameG2064 untoG1909 theG3588 sepulchreG3419 at the risingG393 of theG3588 sun.G2246

This verse shows that when they came unto the sepulcher it was at the rising of the sun, so as the Sabbath was ending at the beginning of morning after the commanded rest they saw the glow of morning on the horizon, that is when they left to go to the tomb. By the time they got to the tomb it was at the rising of the sun. Again, every account shows that the Miryams waited until morning to go to the tomb but I believe you will try to use the word “dawning” to say that the first day of the week was ‘dawning in the evening’ as a metaphor for the day was dawning. Something like a thought just dawned on me or occurred. So what you would be doing is using an English idiom to explain what the growing of light means – the growing of the next day. Again, this is an English idiom not Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek.

From Maria’s blog,


“ Had Yahu’shua died on Friday afternoon at 3:00 p.m. and then buried at sundown before the weekly Sabbath (which is erroneous), then he would’ve only been in the heart of the earth for “one day” not three!”


REPLY: As shown above according to what the Scripture says Yoseph of Aramethea didn’t even go to Pilate to get the body off the stake until evening had come; you don’t recognize this yet:

Mat 27:57 And when evening came, there came a rich man from Ramathayim, named Yosĕph, who himself had also become a taught one of יהושע.
Mat 27:58 He went to Pilate and asked for the body of יהושע. Then Pilate commanded the body to be given.

Maria said, “buried at sundown”. You agree with this? You say He was buried on the 14th day of the month before the evening of the 15th, you have not provided a Scripture that tells us that. You have told us this, but the Scriptures do not. The Scripture actually shows that Yahusha didn’t even come off the stake until after evening had come; which you consider to be the beginning of the next day.

From Maria’s blog,


“ Keep in mind that on Yah’s time table, a new Calendar date begins at sundown, not midnight.”


REPLY: That’s interesting that you say “sundown, not midnight” so apparently this study is directed at the world’s calculation of day to day. But as we can see from your own calculations, from evening to evening, it does not actually fit what the Scriptures say.

From Maria’s blog,


“ But the new “day” begins at “sunrise” the next morning since there are only “twelve hours in the day” (John 11:9).”


REPLY: Okay, so the daylight portion begins the day and the evening begins the day. That sounds quite convenient for you to be able to pick and choose exactly what the Scripture is talking about – either a “day” as in “daylight portion” or “day” as in a “civil day” or “day” as in a “religious day”. When you start doing that you start getting into so much trouble.

From Maria’s blog,


“ So who changed the new Calendar date to midnight instead of sundown?”


REPLY: Let’s get to the real point, who changed the day beginning from morning and put it at sundown? There is plenty of information on that. That is an entirely different topic, when the day begins, and the Scriptures most definitely teach that the day begins in the morning and if you truly understood the impalement account it becomes glaringly obvious.

From Maria’s blog,


“Since YHWH introduced his divine calendar to us at creation in Genesis 1:5, a new Calendar date was to begin at sunset”


REPLY: Can you prove that? See here we go, you really ought to quote the verses you are talking about. This is some of the problem I see, people are too willing to listen to what somebody is saying that is not using Scripture to back up what they say. As also is becoming glaringly obvious. So when you tell people the day begins in the evening you can be sure to tell them the “Scriptures say an evening and a morning are one day” instead of telling them what the Scriptures actually say; which is “became evening and became morning”. See it’s a very simple controversy here. You would believe Yahuah for six days in a row was giving us what a day consists of, in other words, an evening and a morning that is one day. Now on the other hand I would argue that Yahuah is showing us the progression of the day. In other words, Yahuah said, “Let there be light” He separated the light from the darkness which is the evening and the morning and He saw what He did, and then came evening and then came morning, the first day was over. But in your understanding there is a failure in understanding how and where the word “hayah” is placed. I mean, think about it. Did Yahuah make Adam and Hawwah that stupid or anyone else that stupid that He would have to repeat day after day what a day consists of. “I just have to pound this in their heads, they won’t understand” and then the question comes, why didn’t He say this on the 7th day? Did He forget? How about let’s look at the simplicity of it. All Yahuah was doing was showing us the order in which it happened. He did what He did that day, then came evening, then came morning, the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth… then He didn’t say it on the 7th. Why not? Did He forget too? Or maybe it’s because the rest didn’t end when evening came. IOW, He didn’t have to say then came evening and then came morning because He didn’t stop resting. Which is also a great way to show that really the Shabbat should be kept the whole day and not just the daylight portion.

So and evening and a morning is a day…. How do you get that? I mean really, I’d like to hear an explanation to this… Okay, evening begins when the sun goes down, morning ends when the sun comes up – how do you get a whole day out of that? An evening and a morning are what a day consists of??? Or would you say evening covers the time from sundown to morning and morning covers the time from morning to sunset? Wait a minute…. He just gave us the definition – the light is day, the darkness is night. But now you want to make the evening last throughout the night and morning to last throughout the day? Let’s just stick with Yahuah’s definition of light/day and darkness/night.

Here’s something else you may not have considered, if evening begins the day then where was the evening in the creation account? There was no evening until Yahuah said let there be light. Darkness was on the face of the deep, not evening. Truly, if you were going to be faithful to the Genesis account shouldn’t you begin your day at night? Apparently, what you do not realize is when the darkness was on the face of the deep that was the end of an age, a yom and the next one began with light as the increasing of the light portions begin the year so also does the increasing of the light portion begins the month, so also does the light portion increasing over the dark begin the day. These three are in unity. But NooOOooo the day begins in the evening instead of beginning at night (or in the morning where it is properly placed). I suggest you do some studies on this, look into what the Talmud says, look into what the gnostics teach – maybe that will shed some light on the popular custom of beginning the day in the evening. Please people – do not stop at Christmas and easter and think the next person that feeds you is going to be feeding you the pure truth.

From Maria’s blog,


“but Pope Gregory XIII changed the new day to midnight during his reign in 1572.

In Daniel 7:23-25, the angel tells Daniel that the “Beast” (Papacy) “shall think to change times and laws” and so we see here that the Papacy has been instrumental in distorting prophetic events by changing the calendar of YHWH to fit these lies.”


REPLY: Maria, as a self-proclaimed teacher-prophetess you should know that the fourth beast is ROME and the whore that rides the beast (Rome) is the Papacy. Isn’t the woman a metaphor for assembly?

This is similar to what you did before. You started talking about how the day was changed from in the evening to the middle of the night, not considering that it had already been changed from the morning to the evening. In the same manner you have assumed because the Catholics “changed the day of worship” – which they really didn’t the beast only THINKS to change times and laws - from “sun-day” to “Saturn-day” that you have it all figured out. Not considering that it had already been changed/hidden before.

In other words, it’s not only prophesied in Dani’el that this 4th beast, Rome, that would think to change times and seasons, but there is also a lamentation that says:


Lam 2:5 יהוה has been like an enemy. He has swallowed up Yisra’ĕl, He has swallowed up all her palaces, He has destroyed her strongholds. And He increases mourning and lamentation In the daughter of Yehudah.
Lam 2:6 He has demolished His booth like a garden, He has destroyed His place of meeting. יהוה has made the appointed times and Sabbaths To be forgotten in Tsiyon, And despises sovereign and priest In His raging displeasure.
Lam 2:7 יהוה has cast off His altar, He has rejected His set-apart place, He has delivered the walls of her palaces Into the hand of the enemy. They have made a noise in the House of יהוה As on the day of an appointed time.
Lam 2:8 יהוה has planned to destroy The wall of the daughter of Tsiyon. He has stretched out a line. He has not turned back His hand from destroying. And He has made the rampart and wall to lament; Together they have languished.

As we can see here Yahuah caused the Sabbaths to be forgotten in Tsiyon. When did this take place? Could it be 70 c.e. when the temple was destroyed? Is there any indication in this lamentation? Yahusha said:

Mat 24:1 And going out, יהושע went away from the Set-apart Place, and His taught ones came near to point out to Him the buildings of the Set-apart Place.
Mat 24:2 And יהושע said to them, “Do you not see all these? Truly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, at all, which shall not be thrown down.”

Mar 13:1 And as He went out of the Set-apart Place, one of His taught ones said to Him, “Teacher, see what stones! And what buildings!”
Mar 13:2 And יהושע answering, said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone shall be left upon another at all, which shall not be thrown down.

Luk 21:5 And as some were speaking about the Set-apart Place, that it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, He said,
Luk 21:6 “These that you see – the days are coming in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down.”

So Yahusha just prophesied about 70c.e. and as we know there are some stones still standing. The wailing wall; which we read about in Lamentations. Did you notice that He left a wall for wailing? Did you also notice that He said He would destroy the wall of the daughter of Tsiyon? **note: I find it interesting as some have referred to you as the daughter of Tsiyon. So these Scriptures would definitely give us some understanding that there is a great possibility that the lamentation was for the temple that was going to be destroyed in 70 c.e. by the ROMANS. So why did Yahuah allow the temple to be destroyed? Did He not say He was going to cause His appointed times and Sabbaths to be forgotten? But yet they claim they keep track of the Sabbaths clear back to Yahusha’s day. One thing I’d like to see you produce is the documentation that shows when, where, and how Yahuah caused the appointed times and Sabbaths to be forgotten and exactly when were they remembered. Not only that if the Yahudim were keeping the true 7-day count as you claim then where in history do we find the Romans adopting the Yahudim’s 7-day count? The truth is the 7th day Sabbath as known on the Gregorian calendar is a wide street, it is not the ancient path.

From Maria’s blog:


“At the time of Yahu’shua’s crucifixion, Israel and the entire world still acknowledged Yah’s standard of measure for a new day,”


REPLY:
First of all that’s a pretty big statement to say that the “entire world” kept that time keeping measurement. Where is your proof? If you’re going to say something then give us something to verify what you are saying. “The entire world”… These calendation issues were alive and well back then as they are these days; which is evident from the Dead Sea Scrolls. You know, pick a scroll, whichever one best suits your understanding.

From Maria’s blog:
“ and so we learn that Yahu’shua was actually crucified and died on the 4th day of the week (Wednesday) around 3 o’clock in the afternoon”

REPLY: So we have learned?? No, this amounts to so you have said. “Wednesday”? Is there one Scripture that says “Wednesday”? Is there one Scripture that says He was impaled on the 4th day of the week? NO. There is Scripture that says He was impaled on the “Preparation”; which is the sixth day of the week.

From Maria’s blog:


“, and then buried at sunset around 6 p.m. which began a new day”


REPLY: What you are doing is speaking without providing Scripture to validate what you are saying. He was not put in the ground on the 14th day of the month in the evening. Technically – you can’t have the the 14th day of the month in the evening at the end of the day. Don’t you teach that evening BEGINS the day?? But of course, you conveniently put the evening wherever you desire to make your understanding seem to work. Technically from your understanding He would have been buried at the end of the day, at the end of the 12 hour day, because evening begins the next day.

Maria teaches:

“and then buried at sunset around 6 p.m. which began a new day”


Scripture says:

Mat 27:57 And when evening came, there came a rich man from Ramathayim, named Yosĕph, who himself had also become a taught one of יהושע.
Mat 27:58 He went to Pilate and asked for the body of יהושע. Then Pilate commanded the body to be given.
Mat 27:59 And having taken the body, Yosĕph wrapped it in clean linen,
Mat 27:60 and laid it in his new tomb which he had hewn out of the rock. And he rolled a large stone against the door of the tomb, and went away.

As you will probably try to reason this away that explaining that the evening actually means “between the evenings” and you’ll throw out your Talmudic tradition of when between the evenings is we will quickly show with the Scriptures that ‘between the evenings’ comes after ‘evening comes’.

Exo 16:12 “I have heard the grumblings of the children of Yisra’ĕl. Speak to them, saying, ‘Between the evenings you are to eat meat, and in the morning you are to be satisfied with bread. And you shall know that I am יהוה your Elohim.’ ”
Exo 16:13 And it came to be that quails came up and covered the camp, and in the morning the dew lay all around the camp.

These Scriptures are irrefutable proof that ‘between the evenings’ comes after the going down of the sun, the ‘bo’; you will kill the lamb in the midst of the evening after the going down of the sun.. you see that? The quails came up AT evening and then they were eaten BETWEEN the evenings. Or more properly put; in the midst of the evening. Christmas, easter, and Halloween is just the tip of the iceberg people.

From Maria’s blog:


“ going into Thursday, as the first day following his crucifixion. Thursday at sunset completed one full day or 24 hours going into Friday.”


REPLY: Already we can see you’re not speaking in alignment. Yahusha said three DAYS and three NIGHTS and you’re saying three NIGHTS and three DAYS. Oh close enough. Doesn’t have to be exact. I will agree, but that is totally backwards from what He was saying. Why didn’t Yahusha say as Yonah was in the belly of the whale the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth three nights and three days?

From Maria’s blog:


“ Then Friday at sunset began the weekly Sabbath”


REPLY: Maria!!! Where did your second preparation go? Your sixth day of your week?? You skipped right over without mentioning that day. Now here you’re lining up with the Scripture. The Scripture does not mention any 16th of the month as a preparation day – you forgot to mention it as the Scriptures also. Which leads us back to what we spoke of earlier. If the women were in a hurry to anoint the body and they rested on the 15th (your high day) why did they not go to the tomb after the Sabbath when you claim it ended at evening on the 16th or the 16th daylight portion? See, you witness against yourself in this understanding. You absolutely have provided no Scripture to back yourself with. Not even any mention of any verses. This is beginning to sound like “Sun-day” school.

From Maria’s blog:


“and was the second day after his crucifixion. Saturday at sunset became the first day of the week or Sunday and it marked the third day after his crucifixion. Yahu’shua rose again as the Sabbath was ending “after three days.””


REPLY: After the Sabbath was ending after three days? WHAT? Was He raised after the Sabbath or on the Sabbath? On one hand you seem to be saying after the Sabbath. Neither have you provided one Scripture for this time line so far. You got this count all figured out – why aren’t you backing up the count with the Scripture?

From maria’s blog:


“ This is why Yahu’shua called himself “the Lord of the Sabbath.”


REPLY: WHAT? Because He was raised up on the Sabbath? Let’s get this pinpointed here… it would be nice to see a Scripture that says He is Master of the Sabbath because He was raised up on the Sabbath.

From Maria’s blog:


“ The Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday claiming that it is because they rationalize “Jesus resurrected on Sunday morning,” but this is wrong. Yahu’shua resurrected at sunset just as the Sabbath was ending!”


REPLY:
Okay, we got this straight – you’re saying He raised on Sabbath? Just before the next day started? So if the first fruits offering is to be offered up on the morrow after the Sabbath, can you please explain this? According to the instructions concerning the wave omer:

Lev 23:9 And יהוה spoke to Mosheh, saying,
Lev 23:10 “Speak to the children of Yisra’ĕl, and you shall say to them, ‘When you come into the land which I give you, and shall reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the first-fruits of your harvest to the priest.
Lev 23:11 ‘And he shall wave the sheaf before יהוה, for your acceptance. On the morrow after the Sabbath the priest waves it.

The omer is to be waved on the day after the Sabbath; which would be a first day. As the Scripture says:


Mar 16:9 And having risen early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Miryam from Maḡdala, from whom He had cast out seven demons.

You said He was raised on the Sabbath, but the Scripture says He was raised on the first day. And we’ve been through the mia tom sabbaton thing before and that goofs up your understanding even more. Because if you claim that is a Sabbath then your understanding would have Him rising on one Sabbath going into another, so I don’t think you want to take that road.

Exo 34:21 “Six days you work, but on the seventh day you rest – in plowing time and in harvest you rest.

According to the command you rest on the Sabbath day both in sowing and reaping. You think that’s why the omer was brought on the first day of the week? The morrow after the Sabbath? The question is would we expect Yahusha to follow this order? According to your understanding He does not fit the instructions concerning the wave omer nor does He fit the instructions of being put in the earth, the mouth of the grave, that night as you claim He was put in the evening, which does not coincide with Passover instructions. Besides that you would also have Him raised up on the Sabbath being “the third day” and then ascending on the next day which you would have to consider the “fourth day” so His rising from the dead and His ascension didn’t even take place on the same day?? But as the verse shows He was raised and if you cross-reference the word “raise” you will find that is what He referred to when He said, “I will rise the third day”.

As we can see everything that you are trying to teach was only taught from your perspective without one Scripture being produced to validate your understanding.

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