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Lew White's evidence for 7-day pattern not based on the moon

Postby Watchman555 » 25 Feb 2014, 15:06

EVIDENCE FOR 7-DAY PATTERN NOT BASED ON THE MOON:

QUESTION asked by Lunar Sabbathers:

"Can any evidence be found in Scripture of a repeating 7-day pattern?"

THE ANSWER WILL CAUSE PARADIGM-COLLAPSE TRAUMA:



ANSWER: First, look in any concordance for the word "week" (Hebrew, SHABUA, #7620). This word is based on the word SHEBA, "7". The word Sabbaton is used 58 times in the Messianic writings, or Brit Chadasha, and translated as the 7th day of the week, or weekly Sabbath day. But, in 9 other cases, it is translated as "week", referring to the cycle or period of 7 days we are familiar with. Further, at Lev. 23:15,16 the weekly Sabbaths are used to count off 7 Sabbaths. It tells us to count 7 "completed Sabbaths", up until the "morrow after the seventh Sabbath", you count 50 days. Do the math. This is another example, and even numbers the total elapsed days involved, so we know that "Shabuoth" falls on the 1st day of the week each year. As Brian Allen recently pointed out, if the weekly Sabbath were governed by the moon, you'd run into trouble reconciling the "7 Sabbaths" within this 50 days, because you'd have 2 new moons falling within this period. The way they (Lunar Sabbathers) figure it, you'd have more than 7 Sabbaths within 50 days' time (in just 30 days, the lunar Sabbath folks calculate 6 Sabbaths, and so they reach their count to the day after their 7th Sabbath in only 37 days). The 50th day, called "Pentecost" (Greek, "count fifty"), is our (Israel's) Wedding Anniversary, commemorating the giving of the Torah at Sinai, and should be the day after the 7th Sabbath. Instead of taking 49 days to get there, they reach 7 Sabbaths in only 37 days. Shabuoth (weeks) is the plural of Shabua (week), and is a High Sabbath, and follows the weekly 7th-day Sabbath. In another place, Sabbatical "years" are explained (7 cycles of 7 years each, sheba shabbathot shanah, seven Sabbaths of years—seven times seven years, Lev. 25:8), so that we can determine when the year of Jubilee arrives, the 50th year of the cycle. Remember, SHABUA means week, and SHABUOTH means weeks. A Shabua would represent a "complete" week of seven days, from day 1 through Shabbath, the seventh day. After that, we have “the first day of the week” starting over again, as most of us can wrap our minds around that concept. The week of 7 days cannot be altered by mankind. The seven lampstands on the menorah remain an eternal sign of Yahuah’s Torah, and the seven days of the week remain an eternal sign of Yahuah’s act of creation.

A quick look at Lew’s misconceptions –


He said,

“THE ANSWER WILL CAUSE PARADIGM-COLLAPSE TRAUMA:”


REPLY: Yes, the CORRECT answer will.

Lew said,

“ANSWER: First, look in any concordance for the word "week" (Hebrew, SHABUA, #7620).


REPLY:


H7620

שׁבעה שׁבע שׁבוּע

shâbûa‛ shâbûa‛ shebû‛âh

shaw-boo'-ah, shaw-boo'-ah, sheb-oo-aw'

Properly passive participle of H7650 as a denominative of H7651; literally sevened, that is, a week (specifically of years): - seven, week.


This literally means “sevened” it says nothing about anything being continual. Also notice when it is referring to ‘week’ as the Strong’s definition says: (specifically of years).

Gen 29:27-28
27 “Complete the week (7620) of this one, then we give you this one too, for the service which you shall serve with me STILL ANOTHER SEVEN (7651)YEARS.”
28 And Yaʽaqoḇ did so and completed her week (7620). Then he gave him his daughter Rahĕl too, as wife.

This is the first time in Scripture the word ‘week’ is used and it is referring to the 7 YEARS that Ya’aqob had to serve. Now remember that there is no mention of this word until chapter 29 of Genesis. This word is not mentioned in the beginning when it is referring to the day that Yahuah rested on.

Lew said,


“This word is based on the word SHEBA, "7".


REPLY:

H7651

שׁבעה שׁבע

sheba‛ shib‛âh

sheh'-bah, shib-aw'

From H7650; a primitive cardinal number; seven (as the sacred full one); also (adverbially) seven times; by implication a week; by extension an indefinite number:


Gen 4:24
“For Qayin is avenged sevenfold (7659), and Lemeḵ seventy-sevenfold (7651).”

This is the first time that the word seven/sheba is used. Why is it not until chapter four that we see the word sheba/seven; which means 7 times, not 7 times 7 as we can see because Lemek is avenged 77 which is a multiple of 11, not 7 times 7 or 7 times forever; which means there is no implication of sevens being continuous. Nowhere in Scripture do we find Yahuah saying that the 7th day Sabbath is based on a continuous, repetitious count. As a matter of fact, the Jubliee cycles show that the Jubilee of the 50th year is not in the count of the 7 x 7 = 49. Because the 50th year is set-apart, it is outside the count of 7 x 7 – after the 50th year you begin with the count starting with year one. In which there is specific instructions.

The SEVENTH day:


Gen 2:2-3
2 And on the seventh (7637) day Elohim completed His work which He had done, and He rested (7673) on the seventh (7637) day from all His work which He had made.
3 And Elohim blessed the seventh (7637) day and set it apart, because on it He rested (7673) from all His work which Elohim in creating had made.

H7637

שׁבעי שׁביעי

shebîy‛îy shebi‛îy

sheb-ee-ee', sheb-ee-ee'

Ordinal from H7657; seventh: - seventh (time).

H7657

שׁבעים

shib‛îym

shib-eem'

Multiple of H7651; seventy: - seventy, threescore and ten (+ -teen).


Now we see the first time the 7th day rest is referred to; which is an ordinal from 7657 which simply means seventh. It can be a multiple of, but there is no evidence to suggest that the 7th day is a continuous multiple of 7. The word that Lew is basing his case on is only used a handful of times. Also notice at this point there is absolutely no mention of the word “week” or “Sabbath” for that matter.


H7673

שׁבת

shâbath

shaw-bath'

A primitive root; to repose, that is, desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically)


Exo 16:23
And he said to them, “This is what יהוה has said, ‘Tomorrow is a rest, a Sabbath set-apart to יהוה. That which you bake, bake; and that which you cook, cook. And lay up for yourselves all that is left over, to keep it until morning.’ ”

H7676

שׁבּת

shabbâth

shab-bawth'

Intensive from H7673; intermission, that is, (specifically) the Sabbath:


This is the first time “Sabbath” is used and notice that “shabua” is not mentioned and is not mentioned until chapter 34.

Exo 34:22
“And perform the Festival of Weeks (7620) for yourself, of the first-fruits of wheat harvest, and the Festival of Ingathering at the turn of the year.

At this point in the Scriptures there is absolutely no reference as ‘shabua’ or sevens used in a continual uninterrupted fashion.

Lew continues,


“The word Sabbaton is used 58 times in the Messianic writings, or Brit Chadasha, and translated as the 7th day of the week, or weekly Sabbath day. But, in 9 other cases, it is translated as "week", referring to the cycle or period of 7 days we are familiar with “


REPLY:

G4521

σάββατον

sabbaton

sab'-bat-on

Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.


Very cunning slight of hand. Watch very carefully folks. Now Lew is trying to tie the word “Sabbaton” in with Shabua which is the Hebrew word for ‘week of years’ or ‘to be sevened’. Do you see what he’s doing? The word “sabbaton” goes back to the Hebrew 7676 which means Sabbath; which goes to “rest or cease”. This does not go back to 7620 “shabua” or 7651 sheba. He says , “referring to the cycle or period of 7 days we are familiar with”. Can anybody else see how he has twisted these words to go back to referring to the 7-day week as we understand it? No, he just did not do that. But he did. The truth is the 7-day cycle or period of 7 days that we are commonly familiar with are not referring to the Scriptural understanding.

Lew continues,


“ Further, at Lev. 23:15,16 the weekly Sabbaths are used to count off 7 Sabbaths. It tells us to count 7 "completed Sabbaths", up until the "morrow after the seventh Sabbath", you count 50 days. Do the math. This is another example, and even numbers the total elapsed days involved, so we know that "Shabuoth" falls on the 1st day of the week each year. “


REPLY: This understanding is based solely on the Scripturally unfounded 7-day continual cycle.

Lev 23:15-16
15 ‘And from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, you shall count for yourselves: seven completed Sabbaths.
16 ‘Until the morrow after the seventh Sabbath you count fifty days, then you shall bring a new grain offering to יהוה.

Let’s compare with the Jubliee; read the whole chapter to bring this in context.

Lev 25:8
‘And you shall count seven Sabbaths of years for yourself, seven times seven years. And the time of the seven Sabbaths of years shall be to you forty-nine years.

Many have assumed that the count to the Jubilee is the same exact kind of count to get to the 7 Sabbaths complete. But if you compare you will find they are kind of the same but totally different. Lev. 23 does not tell us to:

“Count seven Sabbaths of days for yourself, seven times seven days, and the time of the seven Sabbaths of days shall be to you 49 days.”

Lev. 23 discusses seven completed Sabbaths. Very simply it looks like this:

Sabbath of years – 7 x 7 = 49 years, 50th year (Jubilee, set-apart) then you start your count over. 7 x 7 = 49 years, 50th set apart. The Sabbath of years is not a continually uninterrupted cycle of sevens.

The lunar reckoning follows the same model. New moon period, 7 x 4 = 28, new moon period, 7 x 4 = 28, etc.

So to get the seven Sabbaths completed you would have to continue through the new moon days. Also verse 16 specifically says:
“until the morrow after the seventh Sabbath” mean the day after, “you count 50 days” then you bring a new grain offering. Which is harmonious with the children of Yisra’el in Mitsrayim when the barley and the flax were destroyed and the wheat and the spelt were not because they were later crops. If you took the time to do the math like we did you would find the wheat could not have been ready for harvest 50 days after the common wave sheaf offering of the 16th of Abib. The fact that the wheat and the spelt were later crops give us an indication of how we can come to a conclusion whether the wheat would be ready 50 days after the wave sheaf. On the contrary, the evidence actually shows the exact timing for the wheat to be ready to harvest 50 days AFTER the seventh Sabbath complete.

Lew continues:


“As Brian Allen recently pointed out, if the weekly Sabbath were governed by the moon, you'd run into trouble reconciling the "7 Sabbaths" within this 50 days, because you'd have 2 new moons falling within this period. The way they (Lunar Sabbathers) figure it, you'd have more than 7 Sabbaths within 50 days' time (in just 30 days, the lunar Sabbath folks calculate 6 Sabbaths”


REPLY: We have observed the lunar reckoning for 4 years and have yet to find anyone who considers New Moon as Sabbath. But what I have heard over and over is Lew trying to tell people that is what we believe. There is only one new moon in the Scripture that is considered a Sabbath and that is Yom Teru’ah the first day of the 7th month. But it seems this is one of Lew’s major points of contention and I would agree, the New Moons are NOT Sabbaths. Why? Because the Scriptures do not call them Sabbaths. Whether you know it or not, the first or the seventh day of Passover/ULB are not considered Sabbaths/7676 either. As a matter of fact the whole Yonah theory of three days and three nights in the grave is absolutely proven false when compared to the Scriptures.

Lew continues,


“, and so they reach their count to the day after their 7th Sabbath in only 37 days).


Reply: Wrong. Lew is trying to calculate in Sabbaths that do not exist. Thereby misinforming the readers.

Lew continues,

“The 50th day, called "Pentecost" (Greek, "count fifty"), “


REPLY: Yes, it is Greek. But the Torah calls it the Feast of First-fruits. Isn’t it funny how these Greek words take over? Instead of calling it the Feast of First-fruits they call it Pentecost, a Greek name; thereby trying to lend credence to their understanding of 50 days.

Lew continues,


“is our (Israel's) Wedding Anniversary, commemorating the giving of the Torah at Sinai, and should be the day after the 7th Sabbath. “


REPLY: The Scripture teaches that the children of Yisra’el:

Exo 19:1
In the third month after the children of Yisra’ĕl had come out of the land of Mitsrayim, on this day they came to the Wilderness of Sinai.

So the Scripture does not exactly say what day it was when they arrived, but we do know it was in the third month ‘on this day’. That day is speculation. Now Lew would claim it is the “50 day”, yet I would also suggest it would have been the 7 sabbaths complete from a hypothetical wave offering that would have been ready on the 16th day of the first month because the barley was in the head prior to the beginning of months. So either way its speculation. But what we do know is that when Yisra’el the “bride” stood before Yahuah that He might speak into their hearts and mind His Torah they rejected Him and did not want to hear His voice. When they rejected Him and backed off they said, “Mosheh we hear” but they did not want to hear Yahuah. That you call a wedding, Lew? But the truth is, from the time from when Yahuah gave the command for Yisra’el to be set-apart for three days, Mosheh went up on the mountain for seven days, (10) then he went to be with Yahuah on top of the mountain for forty days and forty nights – which is an exact 50 day count. That is when Moseh came down off the mountain with the 10 commandments and found His wife fornicating with the gods of Mitsrayim. Nevertheless, there is an exact 50 day count AFTER the 7 sabbaths complete. Don’t believe me? Go cipher for yourself.

Lew said,

“Instead of taking 49 days to get there, they reach 7 Sabbaths in only 37 days.”


REPLY: Wrong. Here again Lew is trying to instill a false understanding of the lunar reckoning by suggesting that we count New Moons as Sabbaths. This is NOT a common teaching and again we have not found anyone who practices this. As a matter of fact, we have told Lew this in responses before. He either doesn’t read them or ignores what we have said to further his agenda.

Lew said,


“ Shabuoth (weeks) is the plural of Shabua (week), and is a High Sabbath, and follows the weekly 7th-day Sabbath.”


REPLY:

Num 28:26
‘And on the day of the first-fruits, when you bring a new grain offering to יהוה at your Festival of Weeks, you have a set-apart gathering, you do no servile work.

Okay, maybe I missed it, but I don’t recall the Scriptures calling the day of first-fruits a Sabbath/7676. Now here’s something kind of interesting. Now he’s claiming we call New Moon day a Sabbath when the Scripture does not (nor do we), but here we find Lew calling the day of first-fruits a “high Sabbath” and like I said I have not found in Scripture where it is referred to as a Sabbath. Now I know for a fact that the first and seventh days of Passover/ULB are not referred to as Sabbaths. But I’m sure Lew refers to them as Sabbaths, yet the Scripture does not call them such. So, I would like to ask Lew to provide the Scripture that calls the day of the first-fruit a Sabbath/7676. This might be so, just haven’t seen it. A set-apart gathering does not equal a Sabbath. No servile work does not equal a Sabbath. The fact that Yahuah calls it a Sabbath makes it a Sabbath or a rest.

Lew continues,


“ In another place, Sabbatical "years" are explained (7 cycles of 7 years each, sheba shabbathot shanah, seven Sabbaths of years—seven times seven years, Lev. 25:8), so that we can determine when the year of Jubilee arrives, the 50th year of the cycle. Remember, SHABUA means week, and SHABUOTH means weeks. A Shabua would represent a "complete" week of seven days, from day 1 through Shabbath, the seventh day. After that, we have “the first day of the week” starting over again, as most of us can wrap our minds around that concept. The week of 7 days cannot be altered by mankind.


REPLY: Yes there are seven Sabbaths of years but what Lew is failing to divulge is that the seven Sabbaths of years are completed with the 49th year - there is then a 50th year which is not included in the 7 x 7 = 49 years; thus the Sabbatical Jubilee system proves that Yahuah Himself has set up the Jubilee system and the Sabbath of years to have an intermission; which is the 50th year. Then the count starts over. The year is based on the greater light, it has a greater completion, the months are based on the lesser light, they have a lesser completion.

Lew states,


“The seven lampstands on the menorah remain an eternal sign of Yahuah’s Torah, and the seven days of the week remain an eternal sign of Yahuah’s act of creation.


REPLY: This is Lew’s opinion.

Rev 1:20
“The secret of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars are messengers of the seven assemblies, and the seven lampstands which you saw are seven assemblies.

According to the Scripture the 7 lamp-stands (on the menorah) which Yahuchanon saw represented the 7 assemblies. Yes the 7-day week does no doubt correspond with Creation week, work six days and rest the 7th but where we begin our count and how we count is not according to a 7-day continual cycle. As a matter of fact it can be reasonably proven that the first six days of the Creation work week was preceded by a New Moon day that is memorialized on the first day of the 7th month, Yom Teru’ah.

Who told you that was about Yericho?

The fact is Yom Teru’ah was to be a remembrance – so what are we to remember? If indeed in the beginning is represented by the new moon of the 7th month shows that even the creation week started off with a new moon, work six days, rest the 7th.

Greg


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