kickme wrote:eriqbenel wrote:Once again my friend, you are behind the class. First of all, the New Moon doesn't need to be "seen". In fact, it can't be "seen" it is the dark moon. Check the Farmers Almanac, the US Naval Observatory, and NASA if you need proof.
Second, if I am following the luminaries above my head, I am not concerned with what is seen or not seen in Yisrael. The "moedim" in Scripture are not meant to be keep on "Yisrael time", they are meant to be keep on YHWH's heavenly luminary time over ALL the earth.
As the earth rotates on a particular "moed", the inhabitants underneath the moon begin their praises. If you can picture it, this means that a continuous praise and worship service commences for 24hours, beginning in one part of the earth and ending when the earth has completed it's rotation. This might "begin" and "end" in Yisrael, but that is speculation too. It doesn't matter, we have the Scripture's to follow in every part of the earth. If we do our part and follow it, YHWH will do His part and take care of the luminaries.
you missed the point entirely.
BroArnold stated the confusion caused by the person travelling east vs the one going west, that they would meet on the other side at odds with one another. I'm merely pointing out that one person on one side of the world in communication with someone on the other side of the world will be keeping the new moon day on differing days whether by physical observation or by the Farmers Almanac, the US Naval Observatory, or NASA. Simply because the moon will be in differing phases as it completes it's circuit. It is unavoidable, thus the point BroArnold brings up is pretty well moot since it is a common problem whether 7 day contiual or by lunar.
RESPONSE; I understand exactly what you're saying but I would like to point out the one major difference and that is if you go by the great lights of Genesis 1:14, they will set the date and if you go by the traditional calendar Man will set the date.
The traditional calendar is an artificial measurement of time it sets the beginning and the end of the year, the month, the week, the day, and even the hour and neither one of them is right. Our argument here is that some beliefs that they have the week right even though they cannot find it in Scripture but is based solely on a mathematical count and the blinded Jews preserved it even though the Scripture says he would cause them to forget it in lamentation 2:6 and they themselves admit that it was originally by the phases of the moon. I contend that the Roman calendar that we used to day has all-time wrong including the week. Most acknowledge knowledge the year, the month, the day, and the hour is wrong but because of tradition they don't want to turn loose of the week.
Bottom line is we can let nature take its course and let the great lights determined the dateline along with all the other times, or we can let Man set the dateline and the week and nature all of the other times but not these two because it kills a religious tradition. I might also mention that if you accept the man-made dateline which also set the first day of the month as to when it begins and ends. If we accept the dateline in order to keep everyone on track then I say you should accept the bogus month also for the same reason.