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Lunation/cyclical sabbath at Destruction of Temple

Postby JMSchattke » 30 Jan 2008, 06:07

Well, it's time to play with a lunar calendar. Here's one: http://www.fourmilab.ch/moontoolw/

So, a quick Hebrew -> Gregorian calculation for the destruction of the Temple, 9 Av 3830 gives us Apx. 1 Aug 70 AD; the previous visible new moon being 27 July with 2%. This Julian date is 1746833. Today's Julian date is 2454495, last cyclical sabbath would be 2454491 or 2454492, depending on where you are on the planet. 707658 days is 101094 weeks exactly. The destruction of the temple in AD70 occurred on a cyclical sabbath.

Please refrain from saying that that date proves lunar sabbaths in the future. It does nothing of the sort.
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Postby wstruse » 31 Jan 2008, 18:09

Just thought I would throw this out there and let you arrive at your own conclusions.

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The Jewish War 2:515-518 515 But when Cestius had marched from Antipatris to Lydda, he found the city empty of its men, for the whole multitude {a} were gone up to Jerusalem to the feast of tabernacles; 516 yet he killed fifty of those who showed themselves, and burnt the city, and so marched forward; and ascending by Bethhoron, he pitched his camp at a certain place called Gabao, about six miles from Jerusalem. 517 But as for the Jews, when they saw the war approaching to their metropolis, they left the feast, and betook themselves to their arms; and taking courage greatly from their multitude, went in a sudden and disorderly manner to the battle, with a great noise, and without any consideration had of the seventh day rest, although the Sabbath was the day to which they had the greatest regard, 518 but that rage which made them forget the religious observation [of the Sabbath] made them too hard for their enemies in the battle: with such violence, therefore, did they attack the Romans, as to break into their ranks, and to march through the midst of them, making a great slaughter as they went,

The Jewish War 2:528
528 He then pitched his camp upon the elevation called Scopus [or watch tower], which was about a mile from the city; yet did not he assault them in three days' time, out of expectation that those within might perhaps yield a little; and in the meantime he sent out a great many of his soldiers into neighbouring villages, to seize their grain; and on the fourth day, which was the thirtieth of the month Hyperbereteus, [Tisri], when he had put his army in array, he brought it into the city.

The Jewish War 2:554-557
554 So the Jews went on pursuing the Romans as far as Antipatris; after which, seeing they could not overtake them, they came back, and took the engines, and spoiled the dead bodies; and gathered the prey together which the Romans had left behind them, and came back running and singing to their metropolis; 555 while they had themselves lost a few only, but had slain of the Romans five thousand and three hundred footmen, and three hundred and eighty horsemen. This defeat happened on the eighth day of the month Dios [Marhesvan], in the twelfth year of the reign of Nero. 556 After this calamity had befallen Cestius, many of the most eminent of the Jews fled from the city, as from a ship when it was going to sink; Costobarus, therefore, and Saul, who were brothers, together with Philip, the son of Jacimus, who was the commander of King Agrippa's forces, ran away from the city, and went to Cestius. 557 But then how Antipas, who had been besieged with them in the king's palace, but would not flee away with them, was afterward slain by the seditious, we shall relate hereafter.



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Postby BrotherArnold » 03 Feb 2008, 12:22

I agree with Brother Chuck concerning the with of these posts

It is a big hindrance to the discussion because our computers


Cannot handle it. Please try to correct it for our sakes.


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Postby BrotherArnold » 03 Feb 2008, 12:32

JMSchattke wrote:Well, it's time to
play with a lunar calendar.
Here's one: http://www.fourmilab.ch/moontoolw/

So, a quick Hebrew -> Gregorian calculation for the destruction
of the Temple, 9 Av 3830 gives us Apx. 1 Aug 70 AD; the
previous visible new moon being 27 July with 2%. This
Julian date is 1746833. Today's Julian date is 2454495, last
cyclical sabbath would be 2454491 or 2454492, depending
on where you are on the planet. 707658 days is 101094 weeks
exactly. The destruction of the temple in AD70 occurred on
a cyclical sabbath.

Please refrain from saying that that date proves lunar
sabbaths in the future. It does nothing of the sort.




RESPONSE; The temple was not destroyed on the
ninth day as you suggested, but on the eighth which was a weekly Sabbath.
according to the following.

One example is found in "the Talmud the Steinsaltz Edition",
Volume XIV Tractate Ta'anit Part II ( 1995 by Israel Institute
for Talmudic Publications and Milta Books), Page 206: "when
the Temple was destroyed for the first time at the hands of
Nebuzaradan [captain of the guard], that day was the ninth
of Av, and it was the day following Shabbat, and it was
the year following the Sabbatical Year.... And similarly when
the Temple was destroyed a second time at the hands of Titus,
the destruction occurred on the very same day

Notice the ninth of Av is the day following Shabbat, which
conclusively puts the weekly Sabbath on the 8th day of the
month, when using deductive reasoning. The above is no
coincidence that these weekly Sabbaths were on the eighth
day of the scriptural month. There has never been a pinpointed
weekly Sabbath found, in ancient history or scripture, that was
not by the phases of the moon. This is an absolute.

When a date goes down in history such as the signing of the
Declaration of Independence, George Washington birthday,
Pearl Harbor, 911, etc. which are no where near as momentous
events as the destruction of the Temple,
it is not hard to look back and pinpoint these dates. Please present
your documentation for the ninth.
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Postby JMSchattke » 03 Feb 2008, 13:36

I see you didn't actually do the legwork.
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Postby BrotherArnold » 04 Feb 2008, 09:55

JMSchattke wrote:I see you didn't actually do the legwork.




RESPONSE; what legwork? Please be more specific.

You wrote,

JMSchattke wrote:Well, it's time to
play with a lunar calendar.
Here's one: http://www.fourmilab.ch/moontoolw/

So, a quick Hebrew -> Gregorian calculation for the destruction
of the Temple, 9 Av 3830 gives us Apx. 1 Aug 70 AD; the
previous visible new moon being 27 July with 2%. This
Julian date is 1746833. Today's Julian date is 2454495, last
cyclical sabbath would be 2454491 or 2454492, depending
on where you are on the planet. 707658 days is 101094 weeks
exactly. The destruction of the temple in AD70 occurred on
a cyclical sabbath.

Please refrain from saying that that date proves lunar
sabbaths in the future. It does nothing of the sort.




RESPONSE; The temple was not destroyed on the
ninth day as you suggested, but on the eighth which was a weekly Sabbath.
according to the following.

One example is found in "The Talmud the Steinsaltz Edition",
Volume XIV Tractate Ta'anit Part II ( 1995 by Israel Institute
for Talmudic Publications and Milta Books), Page 206: "When
the Temple was destroyed for the first time at the hands of
Nebuzaradan [captain of the guard], that day was the ninth
of Av, and it was the day following Shabbat, and it was
the year following the Sabbatical Year.... And similarly when
the Temple was destroyed a second time at the hands of Titus,
the destruction occurred on the very same dayâ€
Lunar Sabbaths is one of the most provable doctrines in Scripture...



Brother Arnold

See www.lunarsabbath.info


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