HeHoldsMyHand wrote:Hmmm, sumfink's happening with me. I've spent months ignoring all the to-ing and fro-ing with saturday vs. lunar sabbaths and all the arguing within this forum and Eliyah's. I came to the truth of the Sabbath, thanks to the witness of the Spirit, last spring, and that was quite a shock enough to realise it wasn't sunday, let alone get my head around the idea it wasn't saturday either!
But the last couple of days, I've been feeling different and I can't explain why. I'm convinced now about the moon determining the sabbath, thanks to Lev. 23 but the one thing that's stopping me is because I haven't found a suitable answer (unless I've missed it) to my first question below, so maybe you lunar keepers out there would be kind enough to answer it. The second question is purely out of interest.
1/ If YHWH commands that we work 6 days and rest on the 7th, how can not observing the sabbath between the 29th day of the month and the 8th day of the following month be scriptural? To work 6 days and rest on the 7th certainly implies a repeating cycle of 7 days.
2 For those who observe lunar sabbaths...how do you do this practically? I should imagine it's almost impossible to hold down a 'normal' job, if you keep having to take different days off each month. Are you mostly self-employed?
I've been led these last few months to become self-employed from home, and am setting up a Virtual Assistant business, so I can leave my job at a doctor's surgery, which makes me work occasional saturdays (not a problem if I was a lunar!), plus handing out morning-after pills to teenage girls etc. I absolutely hate it, but my (unbelieving) husband won't let me pack it in unless I can earn a similar wage doing something else. Being self-employed would also help IF I was convinced lunar was the way to go.
Thank you to anyone who would like to answer me. I'm still observing saturday sabbaths so I will wish everyone a 'Shabbat Shalom'!
First, I am a student. I am absent the proficiency of rhetoric of the Torah. What I will say here is opinion and observation.
My vantage point is surely different than yours, just as yours is different from the next man or woman down the line.
In the thread called Debunking Eliyah's (Tom's) Article #2, which is here:http://yahuahreigns.informe.com/forum/d ... -dt94.html
I addressed Tom's quote:
TOM wrote:With either method, Yahweh's command to work six days and rest on the seventh is ignored at the end of every month.
I said: [more misinformation, and this appears to be a lie (intentional or unintentional) from Tom, adding to scripture what isn't there. Yahuah never commands us to work six days. He allows us to work during six days before a Sabbath. He COMMANDS us to rest after six days that we are allowed to work during, then the seventh is the Sabbath. Notice no scripture is given here from Tom for this "command to work six days". Can you imagine working straight for six days with no sleep or rest? My point is not meant to exaggerate, but to show that there is no command to "work six days".
The truth is shown as follows:
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
The command is not given to work six days. The command is that we are allowed to work during six days, or else we are all breaking the Torah when we sleep at night.]ISR (The Scriptures) omits "shalt" in the above verses.
HeHoldsMyHand wrote:1 If YHWH commands that we work 6 days and rest on the 7th, how can not observing the sabbath between the 29th day of the month and the 8th day of the following month be scriptural? To work 6 days and rest on the 7th certainly implies a repeating cycle of 7 days.
begs a more than a few questions.
First, where is the command that we are to work for six days? If, in fact, this command exists, are you capable of working for six days? I know that my body could not even stay awake that long, let alone work it straight through.
I am being literal because the implication (the "If" that you use) is that we are commanded to work for six days. The verses do not say for a "portion of six days" or, for "while the sun is up during six days."
I ask you, does Yahuah impose an impossibility on His creation?
Or, does he allow us to work for six days and then we take the Sabbath?
Second, you seem to imply that Lunar Sabbatarians are not keeping the Sabbath during the time from the last Sabbath of the month, to the first crescent.
I and my family do what we believe
the Word has commanded us. We take a day of rest after the sixth day (of which we are allowed to work during.) If we do no work during the time from the last Shabbat of the month, to the time of the crescent, (which we observe as a new moon feast and we focus on giving our entirety of life back to Yahuah) then how have we "not kept" sabbath?
Further, the question of where in the scripture the seventh yom ("span of time" which has been translated "day") is defined. I cannot find it, but if I have missed it, I would be receptive to being made aware of that.
I surely want to please Yahuah.
As you have already surely observed, my ability to talk you into anything is non-existent. For the purpose of this setting, I am just "some guy" on an internet forum.
But the Set-Apart Spirit can teach you what is right. I pray that He does.
Concerning your second question:
HeHoldsMyHand wrote:2/ For those who observe lunar sabbaths...how do you do this practically? I should imagine it's almost impossible to hold down a 'normal' job, if you keep having to take different days off each month. Are you mostly self-employed?
You are correct in your assessment of "holding down a 'normal' job."
I avoid the words "self-employed," simply because they are jurisdictional, and the "code" and/or "statutes" of the dead have defined those words.
That being said, I work for Yahuah. I do what He tells me to. Most every time, that includes helping someone solve some problem they have. Yahuah sees to it I am taken care of.
This may sound cryptic, but the last paragraph, at least as far as me and my house are concerned, is fact, based on repeated evidence.
I am however, with knowledge of how to help someone work "outside" the system. It's called an "arm's-length" relationship (eliminating presumption of control).
As I stated up front, I am a student. As such, no value is assured these writings of mine.
Romans 3:4 Let it not be! But let Elohim be true, and every man a liar, as it has been written, "That You should be declared right in Your words, and prevail in Your judging."