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Postby eriqbenel » 05 Mar 2008, 21:14

BrotherArnold wrote:
chuckbaldwin wrote:Good Grief!! :roll:


RESPONSE; ...you added the GRIEF. :D

Brother Arnold



He sure did!


LOL!!!!!
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Postby chuckbaldwin » 06 Mar 2008, 00:40

BrotherArnold wrote:
chuckbaldwin wrote:Good Grief!! :roll:


RESPONSE; He did not say Good Grief, but He said that it was GOOD and VERY GOOD, you added the GRIEF. :D
No Arnold, YOU added the GRIEF by coming up with an illogical argument that defies all common sense and proper biblical exegesis. :x

By applying your ill-logic all through the Scriptures, we find many occasions where people arose very early to start a journey, as the sun was rising ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EARTH. Likewise, we find that the women visited the tomb as the sun was rising ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EARTH! We find that people were sleeping when it was night ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EARTH!!
And we find that the rooster crowed when it was dawn ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EARTH!! :x
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Postby chuckbaldwin » 06 Mar 2008, 00:45

eriqbenel wrote:
BrotherArnold wrote:
chuckbaldwin wrote:Good Grief!! :roll:
RESPONSE; ...you added the GRIEF. :D
Brother Arnold
He sure did!

LOL!!!!!
Cute! For someone who's afraid to look at my responses to your anti-virgin-birth statements, you sure are brave HERE! :|
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Postby eriqbenel » 06 Mar 2008, 01:09

chuckbaldwin wrote:
eriqbenel wrote:
BrotherArnold wrote:
chuckbaldwin wrote:Good Grief!! :roll:
RESPONSE; ...you added the GRIEF. :D
Brother Arnold
He sure did!

LOL!!!!!
Cute! For someone who's afraid to look at my responses to your anti-virgin-birth statements, you sure are brave HERE! :|




I'm not afraid... I am just weary of you. Arnold has the patience for you. I don't.
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Postby chuckbaldwin » 06 Mar 2008, 01:26

Fine Eriq. So i'll transfer my posts to the main thread, so at least Matthew might get some benefit from them.

p.s. You don't need patience; you just need to recognize that the whole world isn't necessarily going to agree with you, and deal with it.
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Postby chuckbaldwin » 06 Mar 2008, 01:46

Hi Eriq,

I guess i won't have to transfer my posts after all, since i see you replied to one of them. That at leasts suggests that you might have read the 1st one. It was important, because it explained WHY Mark & John don't give the details of Yahshua's birth. Go back and read it if you're curious; it's different from Matthew's reasons, but i think they both dovetail together.
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Postby BrotherArnold » 06 Mar 2008, 01:53

Shalom Brother Chuck,

You wrote,

“No Arnold, YOU added the GRIEF by coming up with an illogical argument that defies all common sense and proper biblical exegesisâ€
Lunar Sabbaths is one of the most provable doctrines in Scripture...

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Postby chuckbaldwin » 06 Mar 2008, 02:16

[quote="BrotherArnold"]You wrote,

“No Arnold, YOU added the GRIEF by coming up with an illogical argument that defies all common sense and proper biblical exegesisâ€
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Postby eriqbenel » 06 Mar 2008, 02:41

Fine Eriq. So i'll transfer my posts to the main thread, so at least Matthew might get some benefit from them.

p.s. You don't need patience; you just need to recognize that the whole world isn't necessarily going to agree with you, and deal with it.


I guess i won't have to transfer my posts after all, since i see you replied to one of them. That at leasts suggests that you might have read the 1st one. It was important, because it explained WHY Mark & John don't give the details of Yahshua's birth. Go back and read it if you're curious; it's different from Matthew's reasons, but i think they both dovetail together.



Chuck,

You can do whatever you want. I am really sorry I allowed mysel to engage you. I absolutely do not care whether or not you agree with me. Nor am I interested in "dealing" with you.

If YHWH doesn't help you understand Scripture properly, then why should I worry about it?
Shalom in the name of YHWH,



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Postby BrotherArnold » 06 Mar 2008, 02:47

[quote="chuckbaldwin"][quote="BrotherArnold"]You wrote,

“No Arnold, YOU added the GRIEF by coming up with an illogical argument that defies all common sense and proper biblical exegesisâ€
Lunar Sabbaths is one of the most provable doctrines in Scripture...



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Postby chuckbaldwin » 06 Mar 2008, 17:19

BrotherArnold wrote:You wrote,
Using your "reasoning", i could "prove" that a day started at 3pm or midnight or 7:47am or any other time, just by saying "well, it had to be 7:47am SOMEWHERE on earth, so that's when the day started."

RESPONSE; no you could not because :cry: the Scripture does not say 3 p.m. and the morning was the first day or midnight and the morning was the first day etc, it says the evening and the morning where the first day. You are not using my reasoning.
I'm very thankful for that last statement. Rather than violate Matthews recent admonition, i'll just throw up my hands in exasperation, and leave you with a final
BAD GRIEF!!

It does NOT say "the evening and the morning were the first day"!!!!!
.

Read the Hebrew text. I repeat...
READ THE HEBREW TEXT. I repeat again...
READ THE HEBREW TEXT.

Which part of "READ THE HEBREW TEXT" do you not understand?????????
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Postby Watchman555 » 13 Apr 2008, 17:02

Shalom Everyone~

I ran across this verse this morning and I thought I would research it a little bit. So I will share here. I would like to focus on this next verse and look at its significance and its relation to when the day begins.


KJV
Deu 21:23
His body H5038 shall not H3808 remain all night H3885 upon H5921 the tree, H6086 but H3588 thou shalt in any wise bury H6912 H6912 him that H1931 day; H3117 (for H3588 he that is hanged H8518 is accursed H7045 of Elohim;) H430 that (H853) thy land H127 be notH3808 defiled, H2930 which H834 Yahuah H3068 thy Elohim H430 giveth H5414 thee for an inheritance. H5159

ISR
23 “Let his body not remain overnight on the tree, for you shall certainly bury him the same day – for he who is hanged is accursed of Elohim – so that you do not defile the land which Yahuah your Elohim is giving you as an inheritance.

Specifically we will take a look at Strong’s # 3885, remain all night.

Strong’s # 3885 - lûn lîyn
loon, leen
A primitive root; to stop (usually over night); by implication to stay permanently; hence (in a bad sense) to be obstinate (especially in words, to complain): - abide (all night), continue, dwell, endure, grudge, be left, lie all night, (cause to) lodge (all night, in, -ing, this night), (make to) murmur, remain, tarry (all night, that night).


According to this definition “to remain all night” is to include the night. The Scripture does not say that the body must be taken down and buried before night comes, but it is saying that it may not remain all night. We can also see in the above verse that you shall certainly bury him the same day. The word for “same/that day” is:

Strong’s # 1931 hû' hîy'
hoo, he
The second form is the feminine beyond the Pentateuch; a primitive word, the third person pronoun singular, he (she or it); only expressed when emphatic or without a verb; also (intensively) self, or (especially with the article) the same; sometimes (as demonstrative) this or that; occasionally (instead of copula) as or are: - he, as for her, him (-self), it, the same, she (herself), such, that (. . . it), these, they, this, those, which (is), who.

Strong’s # 3117 yôm
yome
From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially): - age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.


So we can see by definition that the “same” or “that day” would mean the same 24 hour period in which the person was hung on the tree. In Yahuchanon we find:

KJV
Joh 19:31
The G3588 Jews G2453 therefore, G3767 because G1893 it was G2258 the preparation, G3904 that G2443 the G3588 bodies G4983 should not G3361 remain G3306 upon G1909 the G3588 cross G4716 on G1722 the G3588 sabbath day, G4521 (for G1063 that G1565 sabbath G4521 day G2250 was G2258 an high day,) G3173 besought G2065 Pilate G4091 that G2443 their G846 legs G4628 might be broken, G2608 and G2532 that they might be taken away. G142

ISR
31 Therefore, since it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the stake on the Sabbath – for that Sabbath was a high one – the Yehudim asked Pilate to have their legs broken, and that they be taken away.

We can see that this is not exactly what the Torah says. I personally don’t think that they would have hanged anyone on the tree on the Sabbath day. But as we can see, the Jews felt it necessary that the bodies came down from the trees because the bodies should not remain upon the stake on the Sabbath. But as we can see, the law requires that the bodies should not remain all night upon the tree and also be buried the same day. So the question comes to mind, how is it possible to impale someone in the daylight hours and not remain all night and buried the same day? In other words, if the day begins in the evening and one is hung during the daylight hours when evening comes the beginning of the next day (?), how can they remain not all night and be buried the same day?

These next verses should clarify to not remain on the tree all night – Notice remain is H3885 which means “all night, that night”


KJV
Exo 23:18
Thou shalt not H3808 offer H2076 the blood H1818 of my sacrifice H2077 with H5921 leavened bread; H2557 neither H3808 shall the fat H2459 of my sacrifice H2282 remain H3885 until H5704 the morning. H1242

ISR
18“Do not offer the blood of My slaughtering with leavened bread, and the fat of My offering shall not remain until morning.

KJV
Exo 34:25
Thou shalt not H3808 offer H7819 the blood H1818 of my sacrifice H2077 with H5921 leaven; H2557 neither H3808 shall the sacrifice H2077 of the feast H2282 of the passover H6453 be left H3885 unto the morning. H1242

ISR
25“Do not offer the blood of My slaughtering with leaven, and do not let the slaughtering of the Festival of the Passover remain until morning.

KJV
Deu 16:4
And there shall be no H3808 leavened bread H7603 seen H7200 with thee in all H3605 thy coast H1366 seven H7651 days; H3117 neither H3808 shall there any thing of H4480 the flesh, H1320 which H834 [/size ]thou sacrificedst [size=9] H2076 the first H7223 day H3117 at even, H6153 remain all night H3885 until the morning. H1242

ISR
4“And no leaven should be seen with you in all your border for seven days, neither should any of the meat which you slaughter in the evening on the first day stay all night until morning.

Now lets take a look at some other Scriptures:

KJV
Gen 32:13
And he lodged H3885 there H8033 that same H1931 night; H3915 and took H3947 of H4480 that which came H935 to his hand H3027 a present H4503 for Esau H6215 his brother; H251

ISR
13And he spent the night there, and took what came to his hand as a present for Esaw his brother –

Notice here “that same H1931 night H3915”.

Strong’s # 3915 ayil lêyl layelâh
lah'-yil, lale, lah'-yel-aw
From the same as H3883; properly a twist (away of the light), that is, night; figuratively adversity: - ([mid-]) night (season).


KJV
1Sa 30:17
And David H1732 smote H5221 them from the twilight H4480 H5399 even unto H5704 the evening H6153 of the next day: H4283 and there escaped H4422 not H3808 a man H376 of them, save H3588 H518 four H702 hundred H3967 young H5288 men, H376 which H834 rode H7392 upon H5921 camels, H1581 and fled. H5127

ISR
17 And Dawid smote them from twilight until the evening of the next day. And none of them escaped, except four hundred young men who rode on camels and fled.

Strong’s # 4283 mochŏrâth mochŏrâthâm
mokh-or-awth', mokh-or-aw-thawm'
Feminine from the same as H4279; the morrow or (adverbially) tomorrow: - morrow, next day.


KJV
Num 11:32
And the people H5971 stood up H6965 all H3605 that H1931 day, H3117 and all H3605 that night, H3915 and all H3605 the next H4283 day, H3117 and they gathered H622 (H853) the quails: H7958 he that gathered least H4591 gathered H622 ten H6235 homers: H2563 and they spread them all abroad H7849 H7849 for themselves round about H5439 the camp. H4264

ISR
32 And the people were up all that day, and all that night, and all the next day, and gathered the quail. He who has least gathered ten Homers. And they spread them out for themselves all around the camp.

KJV
Gen 17:21
But my covenant H1285 will I establish H6965 with H854 Isaac, H3327 which H834 Sarah H8283 shall bear H3205 unto thee at this H2088 set time H4150 in the next H312 year. H8141

ISR
21 “But My covenant I establish with Yits’aq, whom Sarah is to bear to you at this set time next year.”

Strong’s # 312 'achêr
akh-air'
From H309; properly hinder; generally next, other, etc.: - (an-) other (man), following, next, strange.



I wanted to put this verses in to show that there are other words instead of “that same” that could have been used, and that would be “the next” as in “he spent the next night there”. Again – if the day begins in the evening the night following that day would be considered the next night. So we do see there absolutely is another word that could have been used.

Other examples:


KJV
Jon 4:7
But Elohim H430 prepared H4487 a worm [size=9] H8438 when the morning H7837 rose H5927 the next day, H4283 and it smote H5221 (H853) the gourd H7021 that it withered. H3001

ISR
7 But as morning dawned the next day Elohim appointed a worm which attacked the plant so that it withered.

Notice, when the morning rose the next day. Notice, it does not say, when morning rose that day. See, in this verse should they not have used the word H1931 – the same ? day? Because truly, if the day begins in the evening the next morning is a continuation of that same day.

Here again in Exodus 12:8 the used “in that” H2088 “night” H3915, when they could have used


KJV
Exo 12:8
And they shall eat H398 (H853) the flesh H1320 in that H2088 night, H3915 roast H6748 with fire, H784 and unleavened bread; H4682 and with H5921 bitter H4844 herbs they shall eat H398 it.

IISR
8 ‘And they shall eat the flesh on that night, roasted in fire – with unleavened bread and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.

Strong’s # 2088 zeh
zeh
A primitive word; the masculine demonstrative pronoun, this or that: - he, X hence, X here, it (-self), X now, X of him, the one . . . the other, X than the other, (X out of) the (self) same, such (an one) that, these, this (hath, man), on this side . . . on that side, X thus, very, which. Compare H2063, H2090, H2097, H2098.



KJV
Gen 19:34
And it came to pass H1961 on the morrow,H4480 H4283 that the firstborn H1067 said H559 unto H413 the younger, H6810 Behold, H2005 I lay H7901 yesternight H570 with H854 my father: H1 let us make him drink H8248 wine H3196 this night H3915 also; H1571 and go thou in, H935 and lie H7901 with H5973 him, that we may preserve H2421 seed H2233 of our father. H4480 H1

ISR
34 And it came to be on the next day that the first-born said to the younger, “See, I lay with my father last night. Let us make him drink wine tonight as well, and you go in and lie with him, so that we keep the seed of our father.”

Strong’s # 570 'emesh
eh'-mesh
Time past, that is, yesterday or last night: - former time, yesterday (-night).


First of all, it “came to pass on the next day” which means the previous day had ended - ? the younger said – behold I lay “yesternight” which means yesterday’s night, the previous day’s night - ? she continues “let us make him drink wine this night which means this day’s night - ?


KJV
Deu 21:23
His body H5038 shall not H3808 remain all night H3885 upon H5921 the tree, H6086 but H3588 thou shalt in any wise bury H6912 H6912 him that H1931 day; H3117 (for H3588 he that is hanged H8518 is accursed H7045 of Elohim;) H430 that (H853) thy land H127 be notH3808 defiled, H2930 which H834 Yahuah H3068 thy Elohim H430 giveth H5414 thee for an inheritance. H5159

ISR
23 “Let his body not remain overnight on the tree, for you shall certainly bury him the same day – for he who is hanged is accursed of Elohim – so that you do not defile the land which Yahuah your Elohim is giving you as an inheritance.

So again, here’s the quandary. If the day begins in the evening and to be obedient to this law, if one was hung on a tree during the daylight portion they would have to be removed from the tree and buried before evening (the next day) because the verse specifically says “you shall certainly bury him the same day”. Also, if one was hung on a tree after evening, the beginning of the next day, he would not be allowed to remain on the tree all night, yet he must be buried in the same day, but you could not get to the daylight portion because the verse specifically says “not to let his body remain overnight on the tree and you shall certainly bury him the same day”. That seems kind of strange, because if evening begins the day and he is on the tree at night, when morning comes you would still be in the same day.

Another thought, if one would suggest that this verse actually means one cannot remain on the tree during the night or has to be taken down and buried before evening (the beginning of the next day), consider this next verse:


KJV
Mat 27:45
Now G1161 from G575 the sixth G1623 hour G5610 there was G1096 darkness G4655 over G1909 all G3956 the G3588 land G1093 unto G2193 the ninth G1766 hour. G5610

ISR
And from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land, until the ninth hour.

I agree, it does not say it was night over all the land or earth. Yet we read in Genesis 1:5:

Gen. 1:5
5 And Elohim called the light ‘day’ and the darkness He called ‘night.’ And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the first day.

Both the darkness in Matt. 27:45 and the darkness in Genesis 1:5 are the same words used in the Greek, according to the Septuagint.

Amos 8:9
9 “And it shall be in that day,” declares the Master Yahuah, “that I shall cause the sun to go down at noon, and shall darken the earth on a day of brightness,

Lam. 3:22-23:
22 The kindnesses of Yahuah! For we have not been consumed, For His compassions have not ended. 23 They are new every morning, Great is Your trustworthiness.

Anyway, just a little something to ponder,

~Greg
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Postby Watchman555 » 13 Apr 2008, 18:10

One might say these next verses prove that a body cannot remain on a tree into the evening; but let us take a closer look: Notice these verses do not say that they’re taking them down at evening is according to the commandment. Notice the command spoken of here was not to take sovereign of Ai off the tree before evening. And we find this command in Yah. 8:2:

Yah. 8:2:
“So you shall do to Ai and its sovereign as you did to Yericho and its sovereign. Only its spoil and its livestock you take as plunder for yourselves. Set for yourselves an ambush for the city, behind it.”

In Yah. 6:21 we see that everything was put under the ban with the edge of the sword. In Yah. 8:26 we see the city was taken with the spear. So we can see that there was a difference here. Also concerning Yericho, there is absolutely no mention of anyone being hung, but yet Yericho was burned and Ai was burned also.



Jos. 8:26-29
26 And Yehoshua did not draw back his hand, with which he stretched out the spear, until he had put all the inhabitants of Ai under the ban. 27 Only the livestock and the spoil of that city Yisra’el took as booty for themselves, according to the word of Yahuah which He had commanded Yehoshua. 28 And Yehoshua burned Ai and made it a heap forever, a ruin to this day. 29 And he hanged the sovereign of Ai on a tree until evening. And at sunset Yehoshua commanded that they should take his corpse down from the tree, and throw it at the entrance of the gate of the city, and raise over it a great heap of stones, to this day.

At first glance we might feel that this verse is proving that the body cannot hang on the tree at night or that it must be taken down before evening or until evening, but notice it says: “and at sunset Yehoshua commanded that they should take his corpse down from the tree”. Now if they took it down at sunset they would have to have it buried in the ground before the beginning of the next day; which according to evening proponents, the day would begin directly after sunset? Yet this verse shows here that the command went forth at sunset. So how long does sunset take? This would have been a very short period of time that they had to go to the corpse on the tree, take it down, go to the entrance of the gate of the city, and raise over it a great heap of stones. That is a very short period of time in which to have all this done, because if the day begins at sunset and they did not throw the stones on the body until after the sun set, then they would have surely broke the command that says they must be buried that same day.

Jos. 10:24-27
24 And it came to be, when they brought out those sovereigns to Yehoshua, that
Yehoshua called for all the men of Yisra’el, and said to the chiefs of the men of battle who went with him, “Come near, put your feet on the necks of these sovereigns.” And they drew near and put their feet on their necks. 25 Then Yehoshua said to them, “Do not be afraid nor be discouraged, be strong and courageous, for this is what Yahuah is going to do to all your enemies whom you are fighting.” 26 And afterward Yehoshua smote them and killed them, and hanged them on five trees. And they were hanging on the trees until evening. 27 And it came to be, at the time of the going down of the sun, that Yehoshua commanded, and they took them down from the trees, and threw them into the cave where they had been hidden, and laid large stones against the cave’s mouth, to this day.

Here again, we see the same scenario. They were hung on the trees until evening. Now if evening begins the day, how could they have possibly buried them the same day that they were hung on the tree?

~Greg

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Great discussion - thanks to all

Postby kathybyers2000 » 23 Apr 2008, 19:23

Grief and all - this discussion is bringing clarity to what YHWH has told me in prayer and meditation.

Praise YHWH.

Shalom.

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HANGED ON A TREE

Postby BrotherArnold » 25 Apr 2008, 02:31

HANGED ON A TREE

Deuteronomy 21:22- "And if a man have committed sin worthy of death, and he is to be put to death, and thy hang him on a tree:-22- his body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day;

I see two possibilities, thou shalt bury him THAT DAY could be referring to the day that he is hanged in, BEFORE SUNSET. And not let his body remain ALL NIGHT upon the tree, could be referring to the night or first part of the next day but thou shalt in any wise bury him THAT DAY, i.e. the day that he was on hanged in, and not let him hang on the tree all night of the next day.

It appears that this is the way that Philo understood it. Philo had to understand that they were to be buried THAT DAY, before sunset, and that another day would have begun at sunset, or he could not have wrote the following.

Here something mentioned by Philo, a Levite priest, who would have understood the command better than us.

In the book of Philo- CONCERNING PITS XXV111 (151) it says,

For the lawgiver would, if it had been in his power, have condemned those men to ten thousand deaths. But since this was not possible, he prescribed another punishment for them, commanding those who had slain a man to be hanged upon a tree. (152) And after having established this ordinance he returned again to his natural humanity, treating with mercy even those who had behaved unmercifully towards others, and he pronounced, "Let "Not" the "Sun set" upon persons hanging on a tree; but let them be buried under the earth and be concealed from sight "before" sunset. For it was necessary to raise up on high all those who were enemies to every part of the world, so as to show most evidently to the sun, and to the heaven, and to the air, and to the water, and to the earth, that they had been chastised; and after that it was proper to remove them into the region of the dead, and to bury them, in order to prevent their polluting the things upon the earth.

Notice anything after sun set would not have been the same day to Philo. If the man was not burried THAT DAY before sun set, he would be hanging on the tree the night of the next day. Why else would Philo stree the fact to let them be buried under the earth and be concealed from sight "Before" sunset? Could he have understood Deut-22:23 to mean they were to be burried the same day/that day that they were hung in and after sun set it would be going into another day?

Deuteronomy 22:23 says, "His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him "that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of Elohim;) that thy land be not defiled,

Philo understood "That day" to mean "Before sunset on the day that he was hanged which ended at sunset. I can see how someone today might understand this differently but we are examining how the Jews of our Savior's day understood it.

If Philo believed the day began any ended at sunrise he would have said "Let "Not" the "Sun RISE" upon persons hanging on a tree; but let them be buried under the earth and be concealed from sight "before sunRISE. i.e. he would have said let him be buried "that day before sunrise instead of let him be buried "that day before sunset, if he understood the day begins at sunrise. He understood "That day" was before sunset when a new day began. This is similar to the phrase, thou shall be unclean until evening.

Another understanding could be that it may not necessarily mean the day that he was hung, a man could be condemned and put to death or hanged on a tree on the 14th between the evenings and was to be taken down sometime that evening/high which would be the 15th and buried THAT DAY/15th NOT 14th and not hang their all night on the 15th until morning even though he was executed on the 14th. i.e. buried that day can be referring to the15th which begins at night even though he was executed on the 14th, much like the Passover lamb is killed on the 14th between the evenings and eaten that night/15th. The lamb is eaten THAT NIGHT with unleavened bread which begins on the 14th day at evening/15th and the phrase that night could be referring to the 15th and the above phrase that day could be referring to the day that began on the night/evening/15th day and the bodies were not hang on the tree all night, but buried THAT DAY/15th.

Also the phrase buried that day does not have to mean the day before because the verse shows the man hanging on the tree during the night the phrase that day is referring to the day that the man is hanging on the tree, not before. i.e. if the man was hanged around 3 p.m. on the 14th, and is not to hang on the tree all night which could be the 15th but is to be buried that day which began that night/15th.

Another possibility is, a man could be hanging on a tree at night and was not to hang their all night but is to be buried that day.

People assume this man was hanged on a tree during the day because of the way our minds are conditioned to think but the above only refers to night and that night could have been the first part of the 24-hour day. The phrase that day could be referring to the day that the body is upon the tree, not the day before.

(155) And this feast is begun on the fifteenth day of the month, in the middle of the month, on the day on which the moon is full of light, in consequence of the providence of God taking care that there shall be no darkness on that day. QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ON GENESIS 111

Notice the day began on the full moon at night/evening that there be no darkness on that day. We know from the following that this feast was during the days of unleavened bread which begins on the 14th day at evening/15th and ends on the 21st day at evening.

(158) And the unleavened bread is ordained because their ancestors took unleavened bread with them when they went forth out of Egypt,

At any rate the above shows how our Savior and the Jews of that day understood when the day begins and ends.

At any rate, it is not conclusive that hanged on a tree disproves that the 24-hour day end's at evening and by default another one begins.

Remember also that Josephus WARS OF THE JEWS book 4 CHAPTER 9 (582) also recorded the day begins at evening.

"(580) but having the advantage of situation, and having withal erected four very large towers aforehand, that their darts might come from higher places, (581) one at the northeast corner of the court, one above the Xystus, the third at another corner over against the lower city, (582) and the last was erected above the top of the Pastophoria, where one of the priests stood of course, and gave a signal beforehand, with a trumpet, at the "Beginning" of every seventh day, in the "Evening twilight, as also at the "Evening" when the "Day was finished, as giving notice to the people when they were to "leave off work, and when they were to go to "Work again.

I am still waiting for only one example from Historical evidence where it was from morning to morning. I have more if anyone is interested. You can go to my website for conclusive proof that the 24hr day CAN NOT begin at morning, http://lunarsabbath.info/_wsn/page17.html
Lunar Sabbaths is one of the most provable doctrines in Scripture...



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