Shalom everyone, I'm going to jump right in.. There is a vision and there are specific words said of that vision. I'm going to present the evidences here that we have not been given, thru translators, the correct vision. Or I'm going to present my erroneous perspective and you can prove it out for yourselves. I hope you return to remove my error or build the things presented up. Either way..
Dan 8:13 Then I heard a certain set-apart one speaking. And another set-apart one said to that certain one who was speaking, “Till when is the vision, concerning that which is continual, and the transgression that lays waste, to make both the set-apart place and the host to be trampled under foot1?” Footnote: 1See 11:31, Mt.24:15.
Dan 8:14 And he said to me, “For two thousand three hundred days, then that which is set-apart shall be made right.”
When is the vision? 2,300 days?
Dan 8:14 And he saidH559 untoH413 me, UntoH5704 two thousandH505 and threeH7969 hundredH3967 days;H6153 H1242 then shall the sanctuaryH6944 be cleansed.H6663
The single word translated to be Days here seems to be from two Hebrew words “Ereb” and “Boqer” not Yom.
Ereb~H6153
ערב
‛ereb
eh'-reb
From H6150; dusk: - + day, even (-ing, tide), night.
Boqer~H1242
בּקר
bôqer
bo'-ker
From H1239; properly dawn (as the break of day); generally morning: - (+) day, early, morning, morrow.
How then does 2,300 Evenings, Mornings equate to as many days when the actual text appears to go around the Yom, singularly day, by seemingly magnifying the Dawn and the Evening while leaving Boqer out? Why? Isn’t this a prophetic “timeline” that so many have already digested and told and retold? Some of us may be at an advantage of not being indoctrinated into this version or that version of a prophetic understanding. Or maybe we’re at a disadvantage. Or possibly.. It’s nothing. In believing every word has its place, leaving out the middle of a series of appointed times without a cause can’t be true.
Could Yahuah be alluding to the time we are to come Him? The text is pointing towards a righting of the set apart place, which we are. Daniel came to Him 3 times a day.
Dan_6:10 And Dani’ĕl, when he knew that the writing was signed, went home and in his upper room with his windows open toward Yerushalayim he knelt down on his knees three times a day, and prayed and gave thanks before his Elah, as he had done before.
I think it’s safe to say that these times, Daniel prayed, were the dawning of the day, the middle of the day and the evening. So Dan 8:14 doesn’t seem to be an allusion to times of prayer.
A second witness.
Psa 55:16 I, I call upon Elohim, And יהוה saves me.
Psa 55:17 Evening and morning and at noon I complain and moan, And He hears my voice.
Ruling out the idea of an appointed time of prayer from Dan 8:14. but what about sacrifices and offerings?
Witness #1
1Ch 16:36 Blessed be יהוה Elohim of Yisra’ĕl From everlasting to everlasting! And all the people said, “Amĕn!” and praised יהוה.
1Ch 16:37 So he left Asaph and his brothers there before the ark of the covenant of יהוה to perform regular service before the ark, as each day required;
1Ch 16:38 also, Obĕd-Edom with his sixty-eight brothers, including Obĕd-Edom son of Yeduthun, and Hosah, to be gatekeepers;
1Ch 16:39 and Tsadoq the priest and his brothers the priests, before the Dwelling Place of יהוה at the high place that was at Gibon,
1Ch 16:40 to offer burnt offerings to יהוה on the altar of burnt offering regularly morning and evening, and to do according to all that is written in the Torah of יהוה which He commanded Yisra’ĕl;
Witness #2
Ezr_3:3 So they set the altar on its stands, being afraid of the peoples of the lands. And they offered burnt offerings on it to יהוה, both the morning and evening burnt offerings.
So maybe “Till when is the vision, concerning that which is continual, and the transgression that lays waste, to make both the set-apart place and the host to be trampled under foot1?”
In referring to, at least the evening and morning we could have a designated appointment and not an idea of a topical day. What of the numbering allotted to the Evenings and Mornings?
Dan 8:14 And he saidH559 untoH413 me, UntoH5704 two thousandH505 and threeH7969 hundredH3967 days;H6153 H1242 then shall the sanctuaryH6944 be cleansed.H6663
Does this next break down sound like a clean view of a simple reading of numbered “days” let alone the “day” is absent? Here’s the “numbering”..
Thousand~H505
אלף
'eleph
eh'-lef
Properly the same as H504; hence (an ox’s head being the first letter of the alphabet, and this eventually used as a numeral) a thousand: - thousand.
Where is the “2”??? Where does the translator get TWO thousand when the writing is for a single thousand and that thousand is said to be “an ox’s head” from the Aleph. I wonder..
Rev_1:8 “I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, Beginning and End,” says יהוה “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
We are talking about the beginning and the end of light or rather the reverse as the ending and the beginning in a sense from Dan 8:14’s first allotted evening and second allotted to the dawning time table. Or is that a simple misplacement of which is to be first, given the translators took it upon themselves to tell us that an evening and a dawning would mean a day which sounds suspiciously like the Genesis day rendering work that hacks the day beginning at the beginning of the removal of light, evening? Or is it as simple as keeping it how it reads, seeing thru the translators ideas and taking a look at what Yahuah says of the endings and beginnings..?
Isa 46:8 “Remember this, and show yourselves men; turn it back, you transgressors.
Isa 46:9 “Remember the former events of old, for I am Ěl, and there is no one else – Elohim, and there is no one like Me,
Isa 46:10 declaring the end from the beginning, and from of old that which has not yet been done, saying, ‘My counsel does stand, and all My delight I do,’
“..declaring the end from the beginning..”
Please reread the above in Isaiah and take a look at the verses that follow..
Isa 46:11 calling a bird of prey from the east, the man who executes My counsel, from a distant land. Indeed I have spoken it, I also bring it to pass. I have planned it, I also do it.
Isa 46:12 “Listen to Me, you stubborn-hearted, who are far from righteousness:
Isa 46:13 “I shall bring My righteousness near, it is not far off, and My deliverance, it is not delayed. And I shall give deliverance in Tsiyon, My esteem to Yisra’ĕl.
Isiah speaking of revealing the end from the beginning..“I SHALL BRING MY RIGHTEOUSNESS NEAR..”
Doesn’t this sound much like..
Dan 8:14 And he said to me, “For two thousand three hundred days, THEN THAT WHICH IS SET-APART SHALL BE MADE RIGHT.”
Does anyone speak of a label or name this vision?
Dan 8:26 “And what was said in the VISION OF THE EVENINGS AND MORNINGS is truth. And hide the vision, for it is after many days.”
The vision of the evenings and mornings??? That is not what we were told earlier. We were told that it is a vision of “DAYS” and those days have translators adding in an additional TWO to the thousand, Aleph Ox Head, and laying down the idea of the “..vision of the evenings and mornings..” as if it were implying a day itself or rather a “timeline” of days. Why? Maybe I am ignorant and I’m missing an ancient Hebraic teaching that adds numbers where they aren’t told to be, outright, and appoint a day to the understanding of specifically stating evenings and mornings to mold a timeline out of words that are not there? Or is it a timeline at all? Till when? Maybe it’s a specified appointment that has no timeline but rather He is telling us of an appointed time?
What of the “Three” in the added Two and the written thousand to the written three?
Three~H7969
שׁלשׁה שׁלושׁה שׁלשׁ שׁלושׁ
shâlôsh shâlôsh shelôshâh shelôshâh
(1,2) shaw-loshe', (3,4) shel-o-shaw'
The last two forms being masculine; a primitive number; three; occasionally (ordinal) third, or (multiplicative) thrice: - + fork, + often [-times], third, thir [-teen, -teenth], three, + thrice. Compare H7991.
(Side note: 3,000? Thousand [-times] three? 3,000 beings were added to them at Festival of Shabuah?)
We’re told to compare the three to..
H7991
שׁלשׁ שׁלושׁ שׁלישׁo
shâlı̂ysh shâlôsh shâlôsh
shaw-leesh', shaw-loshe', shaw-loshe'
(The second form used in 1Ch_11:11, 1Ch_11:12, 1Ch_11:18; the third form used in 2Sa_23:13); from H7969; a triple, that is, (as a musical instrument) a triangle (or perhaps rather three stringed lute); also (as an indefinitely great quantity) a three fold measure (perhaps a treble ephah); also (as an officer) a general of the third rank (upward, that is, the highest): - captain, instrument of musick, (great) lord, (great) measure, prince, three [from the margin].
The questions are mounting.. What about the “Hundred”?
Hundred~H3967
מאיה מאה
mê'âh mê'yâh
may-aw', may-yaw'
Probably a primitive numeral; a hundred; also as a multiplicative and a fraction: - hundred ([-fold], -th), + sixscore.
Sixscore? Isn’t sixscore 120? I’m just tossing it out here but 3 x’s 120= 360 Evenings and Mornings Sacrifices and Offerings then that which is set apart will be made right? Again.. I’m just speculating..
I’m given to see the messenger in Ezekiel with the measuring rod measuring the “water” coming out of the House and its overflow, flood, somehow associating to all of this..
“..the end of it is with a flood..” From Daniel 9 and aren't we talking about the set apart place??? Didn’t the flood of Noah’s “day” last for 360 days? I’ve never studied it out and I’m not supposing Yahuah is saying it is the flood of Noah but “as in the day of Noah so shall the coming of the Son of Adam be” right as in a spiritual flood, a time for “that which is set apart to be made right”?
I may get some heads shaking and murmurings of what those “days” bring us to that fit so much awesome matters that could never ever ever ever ever be anything other than that, those awesomely told other matters, but I don’t know what the “that” is. I wasn’t given “that” accounting and maybe because of that I’m given to question the words themselves and not the word of men on them so far? Can anyone shed some light on this?
What are your thoughts? Shalom