To Eriq (Joey already knows what i'll say),
If Joseph was Yahshua's physical father, then Yahshua would be disqualified to inherit the Throne of David, because of curses pronounced on both Jehoiakim & Jechoniah & their "seed".
Jer 22:30 Thus saith YHWH, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.
Jer 36:30 Therefore thus saith YHWH of Jehoiakim king of Judah; He shall have none to sit upon the throne of David: and his dead body shall be cast out in the day to the heat, and in the night to the frost.
These curses were a "Thus saith YHWH" in both cases.
Note that Jechoniah (son of Jehoiakim) did reign, but for only 3 months, which evidently wasn't long enough to count.
I believe that Joseph's genealogy is only given to show the Jews Yahshua's legal right to the Throne in their eyes.
Chuck,
All of the above is very incorrect sir. I will try to show you the Scripture so you can see it clearly. I only hope you take heed.
First of all, in Yirmeyahu 22:30, Y' hoyakim is NOT the one being cursed. It is his son, Koniyahu being cursed. And even then, the curse is ONLY limited to the immediate offspring of Koniyahu, not any beyond them.
If you take a look at the entire chapter in context, this will be easy to see. You also have to look at the history as recorded in the books of Kings and Chronicles.
When M'nasheh was King, he was so evil, and turned the people against YHWH so far, that YHW promised to destroy Yudah. Whenever YHWH did something, He always made it known through His prophets. The prophet at this time was Yirmeyahu (Jeremiah). [2 Kings chp 21]
M'nasheh's son, Yoshiyahu tried to somehow "cool" the anger of YHWH by removing all the idols and evil from Yudah, but it was too late. Because Yoshiyahu tried, YHWH waited until he died before He carried out His promise of destruction. [2 Kings, chp. 23].
After Yoshiyahu died, Babylon invaded Yirushalayim while his son, Y'hoyakim was King and the destruction is under way. [2 Kings chp 24]
These events directly correspond to the prophetic words of Yirmeyahu. With Yudah now under Babylonian control and YHWH's plan in effect, King Yoshiyahu is now dead and Y'hoyakim as King, Yirmeyahu is given these words:
22:3 Thus says YHWH ; Execute you judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place.
22:4 For if you do this thing indeed, then will there enter in by the gates of this house kings sitting upon the throne of David, riding in chariots and on horses, he, and his servants, and his people.
YHWH is talking about FUTURE Kings. After the punishment, if Yudah returns to righteousness. These Kings are STILL of the lineage of David, but there will be a gap of "Kingship" because Yudah is about to go into captivity!
22:6 For thus says YHWH to the king's house of Yudah;
You are Gilead to me, and the head of Lebanon: yet surely I will make you a wilderness, and cities which are not inhabited.
Why? Because of what M'nasheh did:
22:8 And many nations will pass by this city, and they will say every man to his neighbor, Wherefore has done thus to this great city?
22:9 Then they will answer, Because they have forsaken the covenant of their Elohim, and worshipped other elohim, and served them.
Yoshiyahu's son, Shalum, never got a chance because he was immediately taken captive to Egypt, this is why Y'hoyakim reigned. YHWH curses Shalum:
22:11 For thus says YHWH touching Shalum, the son of king Yoshiyahu of Yudah, which reigned instead of Yoshiyahu his father, which went forth out of this place; He will not return thither any more:
22:12 But he will die in the place whither they have led him captive, and will see this land no more.
The curse goes to vesr 17.
The son who did reign, Y'hoyakim is cursed next:
22:18 Therefore thus says YHWH concerning Y'hoyakim the son of Yoshiyahu king of Yudah;
This curse continues to verse 23. At verse 24, the curse moves to Y'hoyakim's SON, Koniyahu.
22:24 As I live, says YHWH , though Koniyahu, the son of Jehoiakim king of Yudah were the signet upon my right hand, yet would I pluck you thence;
This curse continues to verse 30, but verse 28 confirms it is talking about Koniyahu, not Y'hoyakim.
22:28 Is this man, Koniyahu, a despised broken idol? is he a vessel wherein is no pleasure? wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into a land which they know not?
So because Koniyahu, son of Y'hoyakim, cannot be King, BECAUSE OF THE WHOLE CURSE OF YUDAH, Y'hoyakim's dynasty is cut off. This is echoed in Yirmeyahu 36:30:
36:30 Therefore thus says YHWH of Y'hoyakim, king of Yudah; He will have none to sit upon the throne of David: and his dead body will be cast out in the day to the heat, and in the night to the frost.
36:31 And I will punish him and his seed and his servants for their iniquity...;
How will the be punished. They are punished with the punishment YHWH promised because of M'nasheh. This is not an everlasting curse.
...and I will bring upon them, and upon the inhabitants of Yirushalayim, and upon the men of Yudah, all the evil that I have pronounced against them; but they listened not.
The point is, these curse are specific to the event at hand, which is the inevitable destruction of Yudah into the captivity of Babylon. This has nothing to do with Yoseph, the father of Messiah. It is not an everlasting curse of generations.
NOTE: Y'hoyakim and Y'hoyakin could have followed in the footsteps of their father , Yoshiyahu, but it says they "listened not".
Once the entire curse of Yudah is lifted, David's lineage resumes the throne, otherwise, YHWH lied when he said this:
2 Schmuel
7:12 And when your days be fulfilled, and you will sleep with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, which will proceed out of your bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
7:13 He will build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
1 Kings
2:45 And king Solomon will be blessed, and the throne of David will be established before for ever.
As for Y'hoyakiN's short, three month reign, I agree maybe it "didn't count", but even that is relevant to the entire event and has nothing to do with Yoseph.