Geneology and Yahshua's Pre-existence
On another forum we are debating the Pre-existence of Yahshua Messiah. One of the arguments that has been made is that in order for the prophecies to be true about the Messiah being of the seed of David (and I take that to mean from David's line), He had to have a physical Father of David's line, because of what the scropture says in Numbers 1:18.
Now it must be pointed out that we are not talking about heirs to property as in the daughters of Zelophehad in Numbers 36, nor are we speaking of Queens reigning on a throne, as in Queen Elizebeth, but we are speaking of a blood line or family tree. When one says what is your family name, that name goes through the father's house as Numbers 1:18 says, not the mother's.
So, I was wondering the thoughts of those on this forum (excluding Chuck, who is on the other forum as well and knows where this is leading, LOL) about how Yahshua could be from David's blood line and/or family tree if Joseph was not His physical father?
i can see what you (and the scriptures) are saying about the father's clan, but as we all know the mother's DNA is still passed onto the children as well as the father's.
i thought Yahuseph had some David in his ancestry, too.
To Eriq (Joey already knows what i'll say),eriqbenel wrote:Joseph WAS his physical father. The whole "virgin birth" story is a falsehood.
To Eriq (Joey already knows what i'll say),
If Joseph was Yahshua's physical father, then Yahshua would be disqualified to inherit the Throne of David, because of curses pronounced on both Jehoiakim & Jechoniah & their "seed".
Jer 22:30 Thus saith YHWH, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.
Jer 36:30 Therefore thus saith YHWH of Jehoiakim king of Judah; He shall have none to sit upon the throne of David: and his dead body shall be cast out in the day to the heat, and in the night to the frost.
These curses were a "Thus saith YHWH" in both cases.
Note that Jechoniah (son of Jehoiakim) did reign, but for only 3 months, which evidently wasn't long enough to count.
I believe that Joseph's genealogy is only given to show the Jews Yahshua's legal right to the Throne in their eyes.
Hi Eriq,eriqbenel wrote:22:3 Thus says YHWH ; Execute you judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place.
22:4 For if you do this thing indeed, then will there enter in by the gates of this house kings sitting upon the throne of David, riding in chariots and on horses, he, and his servants, and his people.
You are correct, sir. That's why i mentioned BOTH names in my post, and that's why i listed BOTH of the Scriptures. I should have said that 22:30 was about Jeconiah, since his name was not in that verse, but in v28.First of all, in (Jeremiah) 22:30, (Jehoiakim) is NOT the one being cursed. It is his son, (Coniah (aka Jeconiah aka Jehoiachin)) being cursed.
It doesn't say that.And even then, the curse is ONLY limited to the immediate offspring of (Coniah), not any beyond them.
eriqbenel wrote:Joseph WAS his physical father. The whole "virgin birth" story is a falsehood.
I would add that Yahshua was not to sit on David's throne but His own throne (Rev. 3:21). He was to be in authority over David's throne, not sit on the blasted thing. What an insult. The King of Kings is to sit on the throne of Israel. No, He has His own throne to sit on.
I like your post on the two curses. Good thoughts,
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