Lew said,
EVIDENCE FOR 7-DAY PATTERN NOT BASED ON THE MOON:
QUESTION asked by Lunar Sabbathers:
"Can any evidence be found in Scripture of a repeating
7-day pattern?"
THE ANSWER WILL CAUSE PARADIGM-COLLAPSE TRAUMA:
ANSWER:
First, look in any concordance for the word "week"
(Hebrew, SHABUA, #7620). This word is based on the word
SHEBA, "7". The word Sabbaton is used 58 times in the
Messianic writings, or Brit Chadasha, and translated as
the 7th day of the week, or weekly Sabbath day. But, in
9 other cases, it is translated as "week", referring to
the cycle or period of 7 days we are familiar with.
Further, at Lev. 23:15,16 the weekly Sabbaths are used
to count off 7 Sabbaths. It tells us to count 7
"completed Sabbaths", up until the "morrow after the
seventh Sabbath", you count 50 days. Do the math. This
is another example, and even numbers the total elapsed
days involved, so we know that "Shabuoth" falls on the
1st day of the week each year. As Brian Allen recently
pointed out, if the weekly Sabbath were governed by the
moon, you'd run into trouble reconciling the "7
Sabbaths" within this 50 days, because you'd have 2 new
moons falling within this period. The way they (Lunar
Sabbathers) figure it, you'd have more than 7 Sabbaths
within 50 days' time (in just 30 days, the lunar Sabbath
folks calculate 6 Sabbaths, and so they reach their
count to the day after their 7th Sabbath in only 37
days). The 50th day, called "Pentecost" (Greek, "count
fifty"), is our (Israel's) Wedding Anniversary,
commemorating the giving of the Torah at Sinai, and
should be the day after the 7th Sabbath. Instead of
taking 49 days to get there, they reach 7 Sabbaths in
only 37 days. Shabuoth (weeks) is the plural of Shabua
(week), and is a High Sabbath, and follows the weekly
7th-day Sabbath. In another place, Sabbatical "years"
are explained (7 cycles of 7 years each, sheba
shabbathot shanah, seven Sabbaths of years—seven times
seven years, Lev. 25:8), so that we can determine when
the year of Jubilee arrives, the 50th year of the cycle.
Remember, SHABUA means week, and SHABUOTH means weeks. A
Shabua would represent a "complete" week of seven days,
from day 1 through Shabbath, the seventh day. After
that, we have “the first day of the week” starting over
again, as most of us can wrap our minds around that
concept. The week of 7 days cannot be altered by
mankind. The seven lampstands on the menorah remain an
eternal sign of Yahuah’s Torah, and the seven days of
the week remain an eternal sign of Yahuah’s act of
creation.
A quick look at Lew’s misconceptions –
He said,
“THE ANSWER WILL CAUSE PARADIGM-COLLAPSE
TRAUMA:”
REPLY: Yes,
the CORRECT answer will.
Lew said,
“ANSWER: First, look in any concordance for
the word "week" (Hebrew, SHABUA, #7620).
REPLY:
H7620
שׁבעה שׁבע שׁבוּע
shâbûa‛ shâbûa‛ shebû‛âh
shaw-boo'-ah, shaw-boo'-ah, sheb-oo-aw'
Properly passive participle of H7650 as a denominative
of H7651; literally sevened, that is, a week
(specifically of years): - seven, week.
This literally means
“sevened” it says nothing about anything being
continual. Also notice when it is referring to ‘week’ as
the Strong’s definition says: (specifically of years).
Gen 29:27-28
27 “Complete the week (7620) of this one, then we give you
this one too, for the service which you shall serve with
me STILL ANOTHER SEVEN (7651)YEARS.”
28 And Yaʽaqoḇ did so and completed her week (7620). Then
he gave him his daughter Rahĕl too, as wife.
This is the first time in
Scripture the word ‘week’ is used and it is referring to
the 7 YEARS that Ya’aqob had to serve. Now remember that
there is no mention of this word until chapter 29 of
Genesis. This word is not mentioned in the beginning
when it is referring to the day that Yahuah rested on.
Lew said,
“This word is based on the word SHEBA, "7".
REPLY:
H7651
שׁבעה שׁבע
sheba‛ shib‛âh
sheh'-bah, shib-aw'
From H7650; a primitive cardinal number; seven (as the
sacred full one); also (adverbially) seven times; by
implication a week; by extension an indefinite number:
Gen 4:24
“For Qayin is avenged sevenfold (7659), and Lemeḵ
seventy-sevenfold (7651).”
This is the first time that
the word seven/sheba is used. Why is it not until
chapter four that we see the word sheba/seven; which
means 7 times, not 7 times 7 as we can see because Lemek
is avenged 77 which is a multiple of 11, not 7 times 7
or 7 times forever; which means there is no implication
of sevens being continuous. Nowhere in Scripture do we
find Yahuah saying that the 7th day Sabbath is based on
a continuous, repetitious count. As a matter of fact,
the Jubliee cycles show that the Jubilee of the 50th
year is not in the count of the 7 x 7 = 49. Because the
50th year is set-apart, it is outside the count of 7 x 7
– after the 50th year you begin with the count starting
with year one. In which there is specific instructions.
The SEVENTH day:
Gen 2:2-3
2 And on the seventh (7637) day Elohim completed His work
which He had done, and He rested (7673) on the seventh
(7637) day from all His work which He had made.
3 And Elohim blessed the seventh (7637) day and set it
apart, because on it He rested (7673) from all His work
which Elohim in creating had made.
H7637
שׁבעי שׁביעי
shebîy‛îy shebi‛îy
sheb-ee-ee', sheb-ee-ee'
Ordinal from H7657; seventh: - seventh (time).
H7657
שׁבעים
shib‛îym
shib-eem'
Multiple of H7651; seventy: - seventy, threescore and
ten (+ -teen).
Now we see the first time the
7th day rest is referred to; which is an ordinal from
7657 which simply means seventh. It can be a multiple
of, but there is no evidence to suggest that the 7th day
is a continuous multiple of 7. The word that Lew is
basing his case on is only used a handful of times. Also
notice at this point there is absolutely no mention of
the word “week” or “Sabbath” for that matter.
H7673
שׁבת
shâbath
shaw-bath'
A primitive root; to repose, that is, desist from
exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively,
figuratively or specifically)
Exo 16:23
And he said to them, “This is what יהוה has said,
‘Tomorrow is a rest, a Sabbath set-apart to יהוה. That
which you bake, bake; and that which you cook, cook. And
lay up for yourselves all that is left over, to keep it
until morning.’ ”
H7676
שׁבּת
shabbâth
shab-bawth'
Intensive from H7673; intermission, that is,
(specifically) the Sabbath:
This is the first time
“Sabbath” is used and notice that “shabua” is not
mentioned and is not mentioned until chapter 34.
Exo 34:22
“And perform the Festival of Weeks (7620) for yourself, of
the first-fruits of wheat harvest, and the Festival of
Ingathering at the turn of the year.
At this point in the
Scriptures there is absolutely no reference as ‘shabua’
or sevens used in a continual uninterrupted fashion.
Lew continues,
“The word Sabbaton is used 58 times in the
Messianic writings, or Brit Chadasha, and translated as
the 7th day of the week, or weekly Sabbath day. But, in
9 other cases, it is translated as "week", referring to
the cycle or period of 7 days we are familiar with “
REPLY:
G4521
σάββατον
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is,
Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular
avocations (also the observance or institution itself);
by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between
two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above
applications: - sabbath (day), week.
Very cunning slight of hand.
Watch very carefully folks. Now Lew is trying to tie the
word “Sabbaton” in with Shabua which is the Hebrew word
for ‘week of years’ or ‘to be sevened’. Do you see what
he’s doing? The word “sabbaton” goes back to the Hebrew
7676 which means Sabbath; which goes to “rest or cease”.
This does not go back to 7620 “shabua” or 7651 sheba. He
says , “referring to the cycle or period of 7 days we
are familiar with”. Can anybody else see how he has
twisted these words to go back to referring to the 7-day
week as we understand it? No, he just did not do that.
But he did. The truth is the 7-day cycle or period of 7
days that we are commonly familiar with are not
referring to the Scriptural understanding.
Lew continues,
“ Further, at Lev. 23:15,16 the weekly
Sabbaths are used to count off 7 Sabbaths. It tells us
to count 7 "completed Sabbaths", up until the "morrow
after the seventh Sabbath", you count 50 days. Do the
math. This is another example, and even numbers the
total elapsed days involved, so we know that "Shabuoth"
falls on the 1st day of the week each year. “
REPLY:
This understanding is based solely on the Scripturally
unfounded 7-day continual cycle.
Lev 23:15-16
15 ‘And from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day
that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, you shall
count for yourselves: seven completed Sabbaths.
16 ‘Until the morrow after the seventh Sabbath you count
fifty days, then you shall bring a new grain offering to
יהוה.
Let’s compare with the
Jubliee; read the whole chapter to bring this in
context.
Lev 25:8
‘And you shall count seven Sabbaths of years for yourself,
seven times seven years. And the time of the seven
Sabbaths of years shall be to you forty-nine years.
Many have assumed that the
count to the Jubilee is the same exact kind of count to
get to the 7 Sabbaths complete. But if you compare you
will find they are kind of the same but totally
different. Lev. 23 does not tell us to:
“Count seven Sabbaths of days for yourself, seven times
seven days, and the time of the seven Sabbaths of days
shall be to you 49 days.”
Lev. 23 discusses seven completed Sabbaths. Very simply
it looks like this:
Sabbath of years – 7 x 7 = 49 years, 50th year (Jubilee,
set-apart) then you start your count over. 7 x 7 = 49
years, 50th set apart. The Sabbath of years is not a
continually uninterrupted cycle of sevens.
The lunar reckoning follows the same model. New moon
period, 7 x 4 = 28, new moon period, 7 x 4 = 28, etc.
So to get the seven Sabbaths completed you would have to
continue through the new moon days. Also verse 16
specifically says:
“until the morrow after the seventh Sabbath” mean the
day after, “you count 50 days” then you bring a new
grain offering. Which is harmonious with the children of
Yisra’el in Mitsrayim when the barley and the flax were
destroyed and the wheat and the spelt were not because
they were later crops. If you took the time to do the
math like we did you would find the wheat could not have
been ready for harvest 50 days after the common wave
sheaf offering of the 16th of Abib. The fact that the
wheat and the spelt were later crops give us an
indication of how we can come to a conclusion whether
the wheat would be ready 50 days after the wave sheaf.
On the contrary, the evidence actually shows the exact
timing for the wheat to be ready to harvest 50 days
AFTER the seventh Sabbath complete.
Lew continues:
“As Brian Allen recently pointed out, if the
weekly Sabbath were governed by the moon, you'd run into
trouble reconciling the "7 Sabbaths" within this 50
days, because you'd have 2 new moons falling within this
period. The way they (Lunar Sabbathers) figure it, you'd
have more than 7 Sabbaths within 50 days' time (in just
30 days, the lunar Sabbath folks calculate 6 Sabbaths”
REPLY: We
have observed the lunar reckoning for 4 years (2011) and
have yet to find anyone who considers New Moon as
Sabbath. But what I have heard over and over is Lew
trying to tell people that is what we believe. There is
only one new moon in the Scripture that is considered a
Sabbath and that is Yom Teru’ah the first day of the 7th
month. But it seems this is one of Lew’s major points of
contention and I would agree, the New Moons are NOT
Sabbaths. Why? Because the Scriptures do not call them
Sabbaths. Whether you know it or not, the first or the
seventh day of Passover/ULB are not considered
Sabbaths/7676 either. As a matter of fact the whole
Yonah theory of three days and three nights in the grave
is absolutely proven false when compared to the
Scriptures.
Lew continues,
“, and so they reach their count to the day
after their 7th Sabbath in only 37 days).
Reply:
Wrong. Lew is trying to calculate in Sabbaths that do
not exist. Thereby misinforming the readers.
Lew continues,
“The 50th day, called "Pentecost" (Greek,
"count fifty"), “
REPLY: Yes,
it is Greek. But the Torah calls it the Feast of
First-fruits. Isn’t it funny how these Greek words take
over? Instead of calling it the Feast of First-fruits
they call it Pentecost, a Greek name; thereby trying to
lend credence to their understanding of 50 days.
Lew continues,
“is our (Israel's) Wedding Anniversary,
commemorating the giving of the Torah at Sinai, and
should be the day after the 7th Sabbath. “
REPLY: The
Scripture teaches that the children of Yisra’el:
Exo 19:1
In the third month after the children of Yisra’ĕl had come
out of the land of Mitsrayim, on this day they came to the
Wilderness of Sinai.
So the Scripture does not
exactly say what day it was when they arrived, but we do
know it was in the third month ‘on this day’. That day
is speculation. Now Lew would claim it is the “50 day”,
yet I would also suggest it would have been the 7
sabbaths complete from a hypothetical wave offering that
would have been ready on the 16th day of the first month
because the barley was in the head prior to the
beginning of months. So either way its speculation. But
what we do know is that when Yisra’el the “bride” stood
before Yahuah that He might speak into their hearts and
mind His Torah they rejected Him and did not want to
hear His voice. When they rejected Him and
backed off they said, “Mosheh we hear” but they did not
want to hear Yahuah. That you call a wedding, Lew?
But the truth is, from the time from when Yahuah gave
the command for Yisra’el to be set-apart for three days,
Mosheh went up on the mountain for seven days, (10) then
he went to be with Yahuah on top of the mountain for
forty days and forty nights – which is an exact 50 day
count. That is when Moseh came down off the mountain
with the 10 commandments and found His wife fornicating
with the gods of Mitsrayim. Nevertheless, there is an
exact 50 day count AFTER the 7 sabbaths complete. Don’t
believe me? Go cipher for yourself.
Lew said,
“Instead of taking 49 days to get there, they
reach 7 Sabbaths in only 37 days.”
REPLY:
Wrong. Here again Lew is trying to instill a false
understanding of the lunar reckoning by suggesting that
we count New Moons as Sabbaths. This is NOT a common
teaching and again we have not found anyone who
practices this. As a matter of fact, we have told Lew
this in responses before. He either doesn’t read them or
ignores what we have said to further his agenda.
Lew said,
“ Shabuoth (weeks) is the plural of Shabua
(week), and is a High Sabbath, and follows the weekly
7th-day Sabbath.”
REPLY:
Num 28:26
‘And on the day of the first-fruits, when you bring a new
grain offering to יהוה at your Festival of Weeks, you have
a set-apart gathering, you do no servile work.
Okay, maybe I missed it, but
I don’t recall the Scriptures calling the day of
first-fruits a Sabbath/7676. Now here’s something kind
of interesting. Now he’s claiming we call New Moon day a
Sabbath when the Scripture does not (nor do we), but
here we find Lew calling the day of first-fruits a “high
Sabbath” and like I said I have not found in Scripture
where it is referred to as a Sabbath. Now I know for a
fact that the first and seventh days of Passover/ULB are
not referred to as Sabbaths. But I’m sure Lew refers to
them as Sabbaths, yet the Scripture does not call them
such. So, I would like to ask Lew to provide the
Scripture that calls the day of the first-fruit a
Sabbath/7676. This might be so, just haven’t seen it. A
set-apart gathering does not equal a Sabbath. No servile
work does not equal a Sabbath. The fact that Yahuah
calls it a Sabbath makes it a Sabbath or a rest.
Lew continues,
“ In another place, Sabbatical "years" are
explained (7 cycles of 7 years each, sheba shabbathot
shanah, seven Sabbaths of years—seven times seven years,
Lev. 25:8), so that we can determine when the year of
Jubilee arrives, the 50th year of the cycle. Remember,
SHABUA means week, and SHABUOTH means weeks. A Shabua
would represent a "complete" week of seven days, from
day 1 through Shabbath, the seventh day. After that, we
have “the first day of the week” starting over again, as
most of us can wrap our minds around that concept. The
week of 7 days cannot be altered by mankind.
REPLY: Yes
there are seven Sabbaths of years but what Lew is
failing to divulge is that the seven Sabbaths of years
are completed with the 49th year - there is then a 50th
year which is not included in the 7 x 7 = 49 years; thus
the Sabbatical Jubilee system proves that Yahuah Himself
has set up the Jubilee system and the Sabbath of years
to have an intermission; which is the 50th year. Then
the count starts over. The year is based on the greater
light, it has a greater completion, the months are based
on the lesser light, they have a lesser completion.
Lew states,
“The seven lampstands on the menorah remain an
eternal sign of Yahuah’s Torah, and the seven days of
the week remain an eternal sign of Yahuah’s act of
creation.
REPLY: This
is Lew’s opinion.
Rev 1:20
“The secret of the seven stars which you saw in My right
hand, and the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars are
messengers of the seven assemblies, and the seven
lampstands which you saw are seven assemblies.
According to the Scripture
the 7 lamp-stands (on the menorah) which Yahuchanon saw
represented the 7 assemblies. Yes the 7-day week does no
doubt correspond with Creation week, work six days and
rest the 7th but where we begin our count and how we
count is not according to a 7-day continual cycle. As a
matter of fact it can be reasonably proven that the
first six days of the Creation work week was preceded by
a New Moon day that is memorialized on the first day of
the 7th month, Yom Teru’ah.
Who told you that was about Yericho?
The fact is Yom Teru’ah was to be a remembrance – so
what are we to remember? If indeed in the beginning is
represented by the new moon of the 7th month shows that
even the creation week started off with a new moon, work
six days, rest the 7th.
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